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Whose up for an Austin/F1 herf in 2012?


Sports Briefing | Auto Racing
Texas Will Host F1 Race
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: May 25, 2010



Formula One racing is coming back to the United States in 2012 with a long-term deal to race in Austin, Tex., on a track built specifically for the event. Officials from Formula One, Austin and Texas said the city would host the U.S. Grand Prix until 2021. The race was dropped after an eight-year run at Indianapolis Motor Speedway from 2000 to 2007. Bernie Ecclestone, Formula One’s president, said the race would mark the first time a course would be built specifically for an F1 race in the United States. Before its run in Indianapolis, Formula One was hosted by Las Vegas, Detroit, Dallas, Phoenix and Long Beach, Calif., on street circuits.



Sorry if this was already discussed.

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How? Vettel pulled out to pass on the inside/dirty line, not Weber. It was Vettel's judgment that there was enough room to pass and Vettel's decision to attempt the pass. It was also Vettel's decision to turn back into Weber's line before he was fully past. Weber made no defensive moves to cut off or block his teammate, he just held his line as he was completely entitled to do. In doing so he made no attempt to block his teammate which is entirely in keeping with the team's edict on giving each other racing room. You can guarantee that Weber would not have accorded the same courtesy to either Hamilton or Button if they'd been trying to pass him there!

Vettel drove into Weber, not the other way around, there's simply no logical way of looking at incident where the fault lies with Weber.

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The bolded statement is false.

Weber would have done the same exact thing if it was a non teammate, he is racing. Vettel said to the bosses he didnt want to say anything on the radio bc of the the rule of team orders in the sporting code, but he was clearly faster than weber.

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No, it's actually quite true (unless you meant to bold another part of my comment?).

Weber would have gone fully defensive and attempted to actively block the pass attempt in order to retain his race position if it had been anyone other than a teammate. As it was he followed team orders regarding racing room did not. By simply holding his line he extended the courtesy of giving Vettel as much racing room as Vettel thought there was in the first place. Had Vettel held his line into the braking zone he could have either out braked Weber cutting him off into 12 or forced him wide and ducked underneath him into 13 as Button did on Hamilton. Personally I think Vettel's swerve to the right which brought them into contact was an attempt to force Weber over and thus make him run wide.

You are quite right though in the statement that Weber was racing. More precisely he was racing the driver with whom he was tied for the championship lead. That's exactly why it's ludacrious to expect him to move over and allow Vettel to pass simply because they happen to be on the same team. Vettel made a brave, but ultimately bad, passing decision and followed it up with a driver error by moving into Weber's pre-existing line making the fault for the incident 100% his. End of story.

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http://www.racefanstv.com/news/open-...mula-one/8858/

Marko's comments were based on incomplete evidence and without seeing full replays and team info. RedBull's Horner is recanting Marko's blame of Weber and taking the position it was an "unfortunate racing accident that should never have happened between teammates". I'm sure that internally they all have their own opinions on who was at fault but from a team perspective there's no point placing public blame on either driver for an incident that was clearly not intentional or malicious. The kind of blame game Marko started in on does nothing to repair team unity.

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Have to disagree on this. That mentality does not serve well for winning the Constructor's which is more important to the team the Driver's Championship. Not only that, Weber had a slower engine map as he was lower on fuel and was told to keep the rev's down. Vettel was clearly faster and Weber was just being a prick.

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You're right, we are going to have to agree to disagree on this. Webber 1st, Vettel 2nd or Vettel 1st, Webber 2nd..... either result gives the same number of points to RedBull insofar as the constructors championship is concerned. The difference is in the drivers championship in which they were tied for the lead. The constructors championship doesn't give any reason for Webber to pull over and give Vettel that pass when he had both track position and the racing line. In point of fact the drivers championship gives him every reason to exert his rights and hold the racing line. Your argument can be applied equally in reverse that ensuring constructors points was reason enough for Vettel to NOT attempt that pass. It's just as wrong when applied to that scenario too.

As I said above, Webber played the team player by not closing the door on Vettel right from the outside. He was more than entitled to hold his line against Vettel just as he would be against any other driver. I might agree with your assessment if there had been any indication that Webber had acted to block or interfere with Vettel's attempt. However, watch the replays there is clearly no hand or wheel movement on Webber's part until Vettel hits him he has to fight to maintain control of his car. F1's not drag racing, the fastest car isn't automatically entitled to the win. Neither Vettel nor anyone else is owed a clear path by any driver on that track. Vettel had another 1 or 2 laps at a 10th faster than Webber before he too had to switch engine maps to conserve fuel, if he couldn't find a way past Webber in those couple laps then tough titty. It's absolutely no different than Alonso getting held up by slower cars in Monaco or what Schumacher has done to Button in a couple races now or the Trulli Trains from last season, if you can't find a way past the car in front of you your car can be seconds per lap faster than anyone else.... you're still not getting that win.

Vettel took himself completely out of the race and cost Weber the win through driver error. In the process he cost the team valuable points in the constructors championship, as well loosing points for both himself and Webber in drivers championship. If anyone's was a prick in this situation it's Vettel, and that's not a fair statement because it obviously was not intentional.

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I am curious. Is Mark Webber one on the 'hated' or not popular drivers?

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Not to my knowledge, he is head of the GPDC if i remember correctly.

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Another great race, I liked this one due to all the lead changes and the strategy.

F1 races are great for smoking a Churchill! I dvr the races then when the wife and kidos goto but I use my DirecTV app to stream the races to my laptop outside while I smoke! :banger

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An average driver at best who took 7 years to win his first F1 race. He is a good technical and development driver as he gives good feedback to engineers.

Actually, I am suprised he is still on the grid. I'd put him in the Heidfeld or Wurz level. Good driver to have around, but won't win you a title (unless you have the absolute winning car).

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I can't wait!! :banger

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Got my pictures edited from Canada, finally! What an awesome race!

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Awesome pics! Can't wait till I get to see one in person and snap some pics!

Can't wait! Practice starts tomorrow! I missed me some Formula 1 last week!

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Have you guys all seen this video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tQCX...layer_embedded

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Sweet video...thanks for the link

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Patrick...those pictures rock!