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 Oh... that is why I never heard of it.  I always knew of the ~1~
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				Ok, cool. This was the first I have had of the line. Can you all recommend a size that I should try? Don't want to give up yet. 
			
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 I love the cg:4
I also love the eccj (hard to find though)