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					Originally Posted by spectrrr  ok, next question: 
 Good and cheap soft flame lighter?
 I've been using a couple cheapo refillable Ronson soft flames, but really they HATE being refilled and one is already broken.
 
 I've also gotten quite accurate and adept with using a Ronson Torch... but they don't like being inverted and I have gas flow problems....
 
 
 soooooo whats a good (but inexpensive) soft flame, or torch that doesn't mind being inverted?
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 http://www.smokingpipes.com/accessor...roduct_id=5909
I have 2 of them.
I used a candle lighter for about a year, and matches. Most guys I speak too just something cheap...