i might gave to get a good coffee machine

[GolfNut]

I think somewhere around 98% of other household coffeemakers only get the water to maybe 180. I couldn't swing the coin on the above Technivorm when we bought our machine before the fire so we went with a Capresso machine that would get to 195 during the brew and verified it with a thermometer. Our old Cuisanart only got to 165. Does make a difference in the final product.