Sam Leccia's Debut on hold

[hscmit]

non compete clauses are fairly standard in many industries especially when their is a significant investment made by the company into an individual (as in this case)

[bigheadmark]

Originally Posted by hscmit

non compete clauses are fairly standard in many industries especially when their is a significant investment made by the company into an individual (as in this case)

[area51]

Im disappointed in this delay but hopefully everything works out.

[Don Fernando]

Although I understand the lawsuit and with the information I have Oliva is right to sue Sam, I think the timing is aweful and will not only hurt Sam but also Oliva as they are 'the bad guys' now in a lot of comments I read online.

[MarkinAZ]

Regarding the 5 year Non-Compete clause, I'm wondering:

Does the clause begin when Leccia started employment with Olivia in or around 2008 (ends in 2013), or when Leccia left the employment of Olivia in or around 2010 (ends in 2015)?

[jesseboston81]

Originally Posted by MarkinCA

Regarding the 5 year Non-Compete clause, I'm wondering:

Does the clause begin when Leccia started employment with Olivia in or around 2008 (ends in 2013), or when Leccia left the employment of Olivia in or around 2010 (ends in 2015)?

Assuming it's valid, it's the latter option: 2015.

[guado]

Originally Posted by Don Fernando

Although I understand the lawsuit and with the information I have Oliva is right to sue Sam, I think the timing is aweful and will not only hurt Sam but also Oliva as they are 'the bad guys' now in a lot of comments I read online.

A lot of those are nut swingers that thought sam was their friend. Sam hated being at shows hated being away from his family...and IMO smoked way to much pot.

People are delusional if they they Samn TRULY created nub and cain. He NEVER blended his OWN cigars. He just carried around blanks and wrapped cigars at events.

Did you ever try talking tobacco with him? LOL


I hope this is approved by the courts. All these "I will never smoke another oliva and wait it out for sam" people will forget about him in two years. I really hope Oliva puts out the TRUTH behind all this. I would LOVE to really hear/read what happened.


We all see the negative about this but in actuallity what percetage of cigar smokers are we online from the masses. People really think them not buying two oliva cigars at a show is gonna hurt Oliva. They make an awesome product and continue to innovate which is where a lot of brands are lacking.

Oh well...ending my rant. I think Sam's a douche. He knew what he signed...he has a bunch of twitter followers and facebook fans...so thats all that matters...lol.

I just feel bad for anyone who invested money in him...they should have known better.

[Brutus2600]

Originally Posted by loki

definitely, i've been reading more than a few "i'll never buy another oliva cigar ever" posts. now is that internet dick swinging, maybe, but i'm sure that more than a few actually mean it. before this oliva was just another small cigar maker now, to some, they're the big bad corporation trying to stop a man from earning a living. There will be blowback from this and it's silly to think there won't be

In which case those people are ridiculous...Oliva makes a great product and honestly they're just missing out if they want to boycott Oliva products. It won't hurt Oliva's bottom line. I'm betting the majority of cigar smokers don't even know about this whole debacle.

Originally Posted by guado

A lot of those are nut swingers that thought sam was their friend. Sam hated being at shows hated being away from his family...and IMO smoked way to much pot.

People are delusional if they they Samn TRULY created nub and cain. He NEVER blended his OWN cigars. He just carried around blanks and wrapped cigars at events.

Did you ever try talking tobacco with him? LOL


I hope this is approved by the courts. All these "I will never smoke another oliva and wait it out for sam" people will forget about him in two years. I really hope Oliva puts out the TRUTH behind all this. I would LOVE to really hear/read what happened.


We all see the negative about this but in actuallity what percetage of cigar smokers are we online from the masses. People really think them not buying two oliva cigars at a show is gonna hurt Oliva. They make an awesome product and continue to innovate which is where a lot of brands are lacking.

Oh well...ending my rant. I think Sam's a douche. He knew what he signed...he has a bunch of twitter followers and facebook fans...so thats all that matters...lol.

I just feel bad for anyone who invested money in him...they should have known better.

The more the curtain is ripped away the more you realize it's just a silly old man pretending to be the great and powerful Wizard of Oz

[LostAbbott]

Typically NC's don't hold up too well in court. The last one I remember was an exec. leaving Microsoft for Google. MSFT tried to sue but got no where. I am not sure with the case of Sam though because it is very direct competition, also I would not be surprised if his new cigar was very similar to the Cain and NUB cigars he already made.

I would like to put my self on the top of the list for guys to receive all those cigars that are just going to be sitting in a warehouse somewhere for an indefinite amount of time.

[jesseboston81]

Originally Posted by LostAbbott

Typically NC's don't hold up too well in court. The last one I remember was an exec. leaving Microsoft for Google. MSFT tried to sue but got no where. I am not sure with the case of Sam though because it is very direct competition, also I would not be surprised if his new cigar was very similar to the Cain and NUB cigars he already made.

The fact that Oliva was able to get an injunction means that they were already able to persuade a judge that they have a good chance (legalese = "substantial likelihood") of succeeding in their overall suit to completely enforce the agreement. That's not a guarantee that Oliva will win, but it's a strong indicator.

Also, Sam's Debut line was directly matching up with, at least to some degree, Studio Tobac's NUB Plus plans: the announced Debut vitolas were 5x60, 7x60, and a 7x52 figurado.

[LostAbbott]

Originally Posted by jesseboston81

Also, Sam's Debut line was directly matching up with, at least to some degree, Studio Tobac's NUB Plus plans: the announced Debut vitolas were 5x60, 7x60, and a 7x52 figurado.

I am thinking this is where his problems lie. If his three sizes are the same as the nub plus sizes then Olivia would have a very good case.
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[MarkinAZ]

Originally Posted by jesseboston81

Also, Sam's Debut line was directly matching up with, at least to some degree, Studio Tobac's NUB Plus plans: the announced Debut vitolas were 5x60, 7x60, and a 7x52 figurado.

Originally Posted by LostAbbott

I am thinking this is where his problems lie. If his three sizes are the same as the nub plus sizes then Olivia would have a very good case.Posted via Mobile Device

For negotiation purposes:

Maybe Leccia could offer up his entire inventory of the above sizes to Olivia, and agree to not create these size vitola' for the next 5 years. In exchange;

Olivia would be asked to drop their law suit/non-compete clause, and allow Leccia to continue forward with his line of cigars, but in different size vitola' other than the size vitola' in question.

Just a thought...

[neoflex]

Originally Posted by jesseboston81

Also, Sam's Debut line was directly matching up with, at least to some degree, Studio Tobac's NUB Plus plans: the announced Debut vitolas were 5x60, 7x60, and a 7x52 figurado.

At the same time it's not like these sizes are not becoming the norm among cigar manufacturers. As much as some us agree that they will never be our go to sizes these sized sticks do sell very well. I know at my local the larger RGs always sell out first.

[wayner123]

Watch this video and pay close attention at the question asked around 7:30.

http://www.veoh.com/watch/v14156371Y...ccia+Interview

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by jesseboston81

Also, Sam's Debut line was directly matching up with, at least to some degree, Studio Tobac's NUB Plus plans: the announced Debut vitolas were 5x60, 7x60, and a 7x52 figurado.

Nub Plus?!



That's about the funniest idea I've heard since the original Nub!

"Look guys... this little chunk right here is the best part, so we're only going to give you that. Oh, and we're also going to give you all of this other part attached to it. You know, like all the other cigars have."

Which is it, Oliva? "Sweet spot" or not?

[Don Fernando]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

Nub Plus?!



That's about the funniest idea I've heard since the original Nub!

"Look guys... this little chunk right here is the best part, so we're only going to give you that. Oh, and we're also going to give you all of this other part attached to it. You know, like all the other cigars have."

Which is it, Oliva? "Sweet spot" or not?

they exist, check http://www.cigar.com/cigars/viewcigar.asp?brand=997

[area51]

So did Sam actually create the blends for NUB and Cain lines?

[chippewastud79]

Originally Posted by area51

So did Sam actually create the blends for NUB and Cain lines?

No.

[gbum]

Wow... Thats bad... Hopefully they can settel it down in a good term...

[loki]

there's a good way to do this and then there's the way that oliva did it. they could have let sam go to rtda and then settle this for a good portion of his profits for the next 4.5 years and then none of us would be having this discussion