Gurkha Hate

[Theo Cincy]

I agree with what you are pointing out about tainting someone's perception of a cigar or brand. But the value I find in a website like this is we can share our opinions and thoughts of cigars and the cigar lifestyle. Cigar reviews/ discussions are all part and partial as long the are done in a respectful way. Although I may not always agree with it, I respect and value the opinion of my fellow BOTL. I would rather tell me "you may not want to spend $15 or 20 on that stick" and I can consider myself warned.

As a side note more of an observation, our join date to the site does not always correlate with our individual knowledge or length of history with cigars. Something some time I see in threads as an undertone. I am willing to earn my stripes on this site, but my history/love of cigars started long before I joined.

[lenguamor]

And I'll keep giving my opinion as long as this forum exists for that purpose, notwithstanding anyone else's opinion of my opinion.

[Volusianator]

Originally Posted by Theo Cincy

I respect and value the opinion of my fellow BOTL. I would rather tell me "you may not want to spend $15 or 20 on that stick" and I can consider myself warned.

Here alone lies the issue with internet "suggestions/opinions" (an honest review is different, and I'll get to that in a bit), If I were to ask a forum, "what do you guys think of cigar XXXXX? I'll get responses from "dude, they're awesome", "my all time favorite, you can't go wrong", "dog rocket", "these suck, just ask anyone", "read the threads man, nobody likes these." Which one of those replies asked me, "what do you like in a cigar", "do you prefer mild, medium, strong, spicey, more smooth & creamy", "have you found cigars from a particular country to be more favorable to you", "what flavors do you typically find you enjoy most"? Until some of those are asked, an opinion is no better than reading the companies promotional material itself, regardless if the suggestion/opinion was good or bad. So telling a guy, "go ahead try some more, the answer will become evident" is just a way of saying, "hey, go waste more money on these because you're never gonna like them" How does he know what the OP's preferences are? Same as just blindly following a members opinion here unless there's information on the cigar to back it up as I mentioned above. If someone is just saying, "hey, you'll love it" or "hey, you'll hate it", it means nothing.

[pnoon]

Originally Posted by Volusianator

Here alone lies the issue with internet "suggestions/opinions" (an honest review is different, and I'll get to that in a bit), If I were to ask a forum, "what do you guys think of cigar XXXXX? I'll get responses from "dude, they're awesome", "my all time favorite, you can't go wrong", "dog rocket", "these suck, just ask anyone", "read the threads man, nobody likes these." Which one of those replies asked me, "what do you like in a cigar", "do you prefer mild, medium, strong, spicey, more smooth & creamy", "have you found cigars from a particular country to be more favorable to you", "what flavors do you typically find you enjoy most"? Until some of those are asked, an opinion is no better than reading the companies promotional material itself, regardless if the suggestion/opinion was good or bad. So telling a guy, "go ahead try some more, the answer will become evident" is just a way of saying, "hey, go waste more money on these because you're never gonna like them" How does he know what the OP's preferences are? Same as just blindly following a members opinion here unless there's information on the cigar to back it up as I mentioned above. If someone is just saying, "hey, you'll love it" or "hey, you'll hate it", it means nothing.

Spot on.
The only exception/caveat to that is that if a member I know and have smoked with who knows my palate (likes and dislikes), I can take them at their word.

[Volusianator]

Originally Posted by pnoon

Spot on.
The only exception/caveat to that is that if a member I know and have smoked with who knows my palate (likes and dislikes), I can take them at their word.

I couldn't agree more!

[oooo35980]

Originally Posted by Volusianator

Here alone lies the issue with internet "suggestions/opinions" (an honest review is different, and I'll get to that in a bit), If I were to ask a forum, "what do you guys think of cigar XXXXX? I'll get responses from "dude, they're awesome", "my all time favorite, you can't go wrong", "dog rocket", "these suck, just ask anyone", "read the threads man, nobody likes these." Which one of those replies asked me, "what do you like in a cigar", "do you prefer mild, medium, strong, spicey, more smooth & creamy", "have you found cigars from a particular country to be more favorable to you", "what flavors do you typically find you enjoy most"? Until some of those are asked, an opinion is no better than reading the companies promotional material itself, regardless if the suggestion/opinion was good or bad. So telling a guy, "go ahead try some more, the answer will become evident" is just a way of saying, "hey, go waste more money on these because you're never gonna like them" How does he know what the OP's preferences are? Same as just blindly following a members opinion here unless there's information on the cigar to back it up as I mentioned above. If someone is just saying, "hey, you'll love it" or "hey, you'll hate it", it means nothing.

By this logic you shouldn't ask or answer any questions about cigars because the people who answer your questions don't know you. I disagree, Forums are a great way to guage cigars.

For example Gurkha, I've had 2, there are 100,000,000. I wasn't disgusted or impressed by either Gurkha I had, BUT I know that most people either find them mediocre and overpriced or downright hate them. It may be that if I tried a bunch of Gurkha I'd become the biggest Gurkha fanatic ever, but probably not, and I won't be spending money trying to find out.

[Volusianator]

Originally Posted by oooo35980

By this logic you shouldn't ask or answer any questions about cigars because the people who answer your questions don't know you.

Not even close to what I said and I'm not here to argue the point.

[pnoon]

Originally Posted by oooo35980

By this logic you shouldn't ask or answer any questions about cigars because the people who answer your questions don't know you. I disagree, Forums are a great way to guage cigars.

I think you missed the point.

The problem is not when people describe the cigar (briefly or in a review) but when they draw conclusions and tell you they are good/bad or you will love/hate them. That is pointless.

[Volusianator]

Originally Posted by pnoon

I think you missed the point.

The problem is not when people describe the cigar (briefly or in a review) but when they draw conclusions and tell you they are good/bad or you will love/hate them. That is pointless.

[oooo35980]

Originally Posted by pnoon

I think you missed the point.

The problem is not when people describe the cigar (briefly or in a review) but when they draw conclusions and tell you they are good/bad or you will love/hate them. That is pointless.

I disagree, again, when someone tells you a cigar (or anything for that matter) is bad the fact that it's an opinion is obvious. "I hate Gurkha" and "Gurkha sucks" mean the same thing basically. No matter how the opinion is expressed it is still an opinion and most thinking human beings will weigh it against other opinions they have heard.

[pnoon]

Originally Posted by oooo35980

I disagree, again, when someone tells you a cigar (or anything for that matter) is bad the fact that it's an opinion is obvious. "I hate Gurkha" and "Gurkha sucks" mean the same thing basically. No matter how the opinion is expressed it is still an opinion and most thinking human beings will weigh it against other opinions they have heard.

Only to those who don't understand the use of the English language.

I can say your post is stupid. That does not imply that I think YOU are stupid.

Big difference.

[oooo35980]

Originally Posted by pnoon

Only to those who don't understand the use of the English language.

I can say your post is stupid. That does not imply that I think YOU are stupid.

Big difference.

Or to people that hate semantics. Icehog says he hates Gurkha, OK thats cool. Someone else here thinks Gurkha taste like dog **** smells, wonderful. Any way you slice it that's 2 people with the opinion that Gurkha is less than enjoyable. Those 2 peoples opinions mean the exact same to me.