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Subject: LOST: more items to ponder
1. Volcano: Previously (maybe season 3?), in a Ben-centric episode we see Ben as a child in Dharma school. The teacher was showing the kids how to mix chemicals for the model "volcano" in the classroom and mentions that the island has a volcano. The teacher says it hasn't been active in a long, long time. Apparently, in the bonus features on that season's DVDs the producers say the volcano will be something that comes back in the story. 2. Smokey's water prison: Perhaps Smokey can't touch water and that's why water blocks the drain that hold him in? Maybe that's why he's on an island and cannot reach people off-island? 3. Infertility on the island: Did the island create the infertility problems because Ben stole Alex from her mother? Or after Ellie Hawking shot and killed her own son, Faraday? Is this some sort of punishment? 4. LOST baby apparel: http://www.cafepress.com/squirtshirts/2084779 I like the one that reads "I think I found the Black Rock in my diaper: ![]() 5. Regarding season 5's finale: a) It's kinda sad to think that John Locke really did die in that hotel room at the hands of Ben Linus. Locke died as he lived... a pathetic, failure who was easily manipulated. The only time he was really successful was on the island after the crash of 815. b) Why did Jacob touch everyone in the flashbacks? Was it to "mark" them so that when the bomb went off they would be brought to the present time on the island to help defeat Anti-Jacob/ Fake Locke? Or is it the Harry Potter Horcrux idea. Jacob was transferring a part of himself to each of the castaways. Now that he's been stabbed and thrown in the fire, he's going to summon the castaways to the present to collect his missing pieces to heal himself. Probably not, but I like the Harry Potter tie-in. ![]() 6. Wired Magazine: A producer/ writer of LOST was the guest editor of Wired magazine's most recent issue. He placed clues within the magazine to reveal something about the show. Someone solved the clues which spelled the sentence "The four toed statue is Tawaret". So, no more guessing there. It's Tawaret, not Sobek, after all. 7. The Dharma Initiative: If you look at the history of the island maybe the Dharma Initiative really has no significance. As Anti-Jacob said it's just another group that came to the island for selfish purposes (greed, war, corruption). Perhaps they were brought here, initiated by someone who had been banished from the island but knew how to get back (Alvar Hanso started the Hanso foundation which funds Dharma... Magnus Hanso's diary was purchased by Widmore, it was recovered from the Black Rock. I think it's a fair assumption to think that Magnus Hanso was on the Black Rock, discovered the island's powers, wrote about them in his diary, was somehow banished, then the story was passed down to his relative Alvar Hanso, who funded Dharma to find/ study the island.) 8. Jacob is bad theory: There is a theory out there that Jacob is actually the bad guy. Some supporting evidence: a) Young Kate steals a lunch box. Jacob gets her out of it, preventing real punishment. b) Young Sawyer is encouraged by Jacob to write his revenge note. Thus encouraging/ promoting Sawyer's life of crime. c) Jacob holds Sayid back at the intersection, but allows Nadia to get hit by the car. d) Jacob tricks Hurley to come back to the island, telling him what he wants to hear. That he is not cursed, that he is not crazy. e) Anti-Jacob is actually the good guy, and the loophole is that he figured out how to kill the evil one. f) Anti-Jacob, representing good or a God-like figure, uses Locke to lead his people to kill Jacob, subsequently setting them free. Ben even referred to as "Moses" at the end of the episode. In the Old Testament what did Moses do? Set his people free. g) Remember when Karl was being brainwashed in Room 23? One of the statements was "God loves you as He loved Jacob". Why does it say "loved?" Is Jacob like a fallen angel??? For the record, I don't believe that Jacob is the bad guy, but wanted to pass this theory along. 9. Season 6 theory: Here is someone's theory on what season 6 will be like. I thought it was pretty good so wanted to share... SUMMARY: In short, the bomb goes off in 1977, the Swan hatch is never completed. However, Flight 815 does not go to LA, but instead lands on the island as it was always intended to do. The theme for Season 6 will be why the Oceanic 6 were brought to the island, and the coming war. DETAILS: So we know the island has a way of course correcting itself. We also saw in season one a strong hint that major characters were PLACED on the plane (e.g., Claire and Sawyer each given tickets, Kate placed on the plane against her will, Jack absolutely must take this exact flight back as it is the last one that will get his dad's body back to LA in time for the funeral). In season 4 Lapidus tells us he was supposed to be flying flight 815. In season 5, we are shown flight 316 make a landing on a landing strip that was built on or before 2004/2005 (with Kate, Sawyer, and 4 Others chopping rocks to either finish the new runway, or simply maintain the existing runway). Since season 2, I have advocated that Flight 815 was coming in for a landing to the island, but Desmond screwed things up by failing to enter the numbers, thereby causing the low-flying plane to break apart and crash. Now to season 5 ending....Season 5 does in fact end with the bomb going off, leaving us thinking (as was planted in our heads in Episode 515 "Follow the Leader") that flight 815 will continue on to LA and land. HOWEVER, this assumes the pilot of 815 was planning to fly to LA. However, if the pilot was intending to land the plane on the island, then after the hydrogen bomb explodes in 1977, Desmond will in fact never fail to turn the key because the Swan Hatch was never finished, and Flight 815 will (course corrected) fly into the island for a landing as was planned all along. And finally, Season Six begins with a plane coming in for a seamless landing and as the opening scene pans back from the inside of the plane where Jack and Kate and Sawyer, et al are riding, we see an island with a rough runway and Others (perhaps even Jacob) outside waiting to greet those selected to come to the island. Side note: Some have said there is not enough time in one season to cover what seems to amount to a reset of the entire show. HOWEVER, in season 5 when Desmond goes looking for Faraday, the janitor protector at Oxford mentions that Faraday's experiment involved sending rats memories into the future through the radiation. If a hydrogen bomb goes off, this is exactly how this will be solved for the show continuity - It will not involve a reset, but the Oceanic 6 will carry their memories with them as Faraday's mice experiments proved could happen. We have already seen an example of how a historical change in time suddenly appears in the future of those impacted as sudden memories - When Faraday bangs on the Swan Hatch door and Desmond comes out, suddenly the next scene Desmond awakes in 2007 with a NEW memory - Not a dream but a memory. Thus the events in 1977 will suddenly be in the heads of the Oceanic 6 as memories.
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Awesome job as always, Bao! The two things that struck me the most in your post:
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Here is a chronological list of the Whispers heard on LOST so far.
There were a few other episodes where Whispers can be heard but they are not listed here as the audio was too difficult to translate. I underlined a few that I thought were extra creepy. "Many of the audio geniuses agree that it appears that there are only one or two female voices in the whispers. It has also been noted that the female voices have empathy for the crash survivors. In Sayid's and Sawyer's jungle encounter with the whispers, the female voice seems to want the whisperers to reveal themselves. An interesting note about the first time that Sawyer hears the whispers is that one of the voices is actually Frank Duckett (the man he killed) saying "It'll come back around," which is the last thing Duckett said to Sawyer after he is shot by Sawyer. Of course we also know that the Whispers usually come before or during peril. As noted below, the Whispers use the name Elizabeth over and over again in one instance. The name of Libby's husband's boat, that she gave to Desmond to sail was named "The Elizabeth." Another seldom used/known name that the Whispers spoke was "Sarah." Of course, Sarah was Jack's wife back on the mainland before they divorced. When Sarah's tire blew, she was in an accident that also involved Adam Rutherford. Adam was Shannon's dad and Boone's stepdad. When Sarah and Adam come into the ER, Jack has to make a decision whether to save Adam or Sarah. Of course he saves Sarah and Adam dies." Season 1, ep. 16: "Outlaws" When Sawyer is looking for the boar who stole his hut roof. "There goes another poking his head in here" "Yeah, let's see what he's doing" "Let's" "Let me decide" "Come back" "Wait" "I see another one" "It'll come back around" (Frank Duckett's voice) ------ "Oh my god there's a guy out there" "Dennis (?) find out what's going on" "Did he see us?" "Maybe" "Open it" "Did you see what direction he went?" "Right through those trees" "Go and get him" '"There is an explanation (resolution?) and I bet you haven't thought of it" "What is it?" "He's been in a plane crash" "Are you sure?" "I know what it's like for a plane to crash" "Complain, complain, complain" "I want to get closer" "I know what you said, but he's looking around" "What if he shoots us or something" ------ "There may be something, but it may be....." "Let's go" "Has he seen us?" (Alarms go off) "I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry" "Intruder, Intruder" "Hide against the bushes" "Open the door" "I know what it's like for a plane to crash" "Complain, complain, complain" "I know what you said, but..." Season 1, ep. 16: This is also from "Outlaws" when Sawyer is in the jungle. These are the left, center and right audio tracks that were played simultaneously. "How could you say that? I knew he was American" "It was a large group" "It'll come back around" "Now listen. Here's what we should do. Nothing. It's not the one. He's coming up on the gate." "How could you say that, I knew he was American" "Hey listen, come on let's go" "Go and see what he's doing" "Duetch/Dutch/Deutsch negg or Joice leg" (perhaps another language or reversed) "Like it's your choice" "He's coming up on the gate" "My guess is to shoot the pig" or "Guess he'll shoot the pig" "Yes" "My [hand/head] is free" "How could you even say that, I knew he was an American" "Hey listen, come on lets go" "Go and see what he's doing" "He's coming up on the gate" "My guess is to shoot the pig..." "Okay" "Maybe we should just talk to him" "No if he see us it will ruin everything" "What did he see" "They could help us" "Can't trust" "Come back around" "What did he see" "Nothing, he was following it" "Speak" "Nothing" Frank Duckett's Voice- "It'll come back around" Season 2, ep. 6: This is where Sayid and Shannon are in the jungle in "Abandoned", just before Ana Lucia shoots Shannon, when Shannon sees wet-talking-backwards Walt. "Relax dude" "She likes the guy" "She's coming" "I don't know if I can run, but I can (or can't) yell" "Shannon sighs" (Scream) "Dying sucks" "Hurry up" "Shh..." "She likes this guy" "Dying sucks" "Hi sis" "Here she comes, here she comes" "His mouth" "She drives me crazy" "Hurry up" "I see eye to eye" "I see..." "Relax dude" "She likes the guy" "What do you think we should do?" "She's coming" "We should hide, we should run" "Heard some voice" "See ya" "Hide the scope" "Hurry up" Season 2, ep. 6: This is also from "Abandoned" but this is where Eko, Libby, Ana Lucia, Sawyer, Michael, Jin and Bernard are in the Jungle. "Who's this in the woods" "Sawyer" "Ana" "I'm in someone's dream" "Ich weiß nicht" (German for 'I don't know') "She's heavy" "Black Rock" "Bring the boy" "I'm in someone's dream" "Look in the eyes, right?" "Do you see her?" "It's the brothers that help us" "I can see eye to eye" "Sawyer" "Did she see?" "Bossy eh missy?" "I'm in someone's dream" "I know it all, I know it all" "It's the eyes" or "Lucia" "I can see eye to eye" "I'm in someone's dream" "I know it all, I know it all" "Do you see her? (or possibly 'Lucia') "I can see eye to eye" "Did she see?" "Shannon" "Hide behind me" "Bossy eh missy?" "I'm in someone's dream" "I know it all" "Under the eye" or "Eye to eye" "It's the eyes" or "Lucia" "I can see eye to eye" "She's bossy" "I'm in someone's dream" Season 2, ep. 10: This comes from "The 23rd Psalms" and is when Eko faces Smokey: "Who are you and why are you here?" "Report, report!" "Saw Charlie with him" "There's Charlie" "Go to hell" "Steadily" "He's trying here" "Nothing yet" "Now try him from here, okay" "Those are the roles (or rules) you accept" "Go to hell" "Nine" "Where" "Seven" "He's hiding something" "He's hiding from me" Season 2, ep. 21: ? This is one of the creepiest and is taken from Charlotte Malkin's autopsy, when she "woke up" after supposedly drowning. Remember that Eko was sent to investigate the miracle of her resurrection. This transcript is of the doctor's autopsy tape. The Whispers heard on the tape are in "quotes." Doctor: This is a Caucasian female. She's 161 cm, 51.3 kilos, body prepped and washed by the very lovely Valerie McTavish Assistant: Ian, stop it Doctor: Commencing with the post "That's her" Doctor: This is a clear case of drowning. I'll begin with a thoracic... Charlotte Malkin, coming back to life: John! (screaming) "She's alive!" "How will we know" Assistant: Oh my God! Doctor: Valerie! Assistant: She's Alive! Doctor: I think she's trying... Charlotte Malkin: Let John Locke go (on)! "She's not dead" "I found it" Doctor: Try and calm down (Assistant screaming stop, stop) Doctor: Valerie get... she's crying, don't just stand there do something! "We're sending them in" (or) "Let's hear what she says" Season 2, ep. 23, 24: "Live Together, Die Alone" and occurs just as the Losties are being ambushed by the Others: It is with Michael, Sawyer, Hurley, Jack and Kate: Jack, Kate, Michael, Hurley, and Sawyer are walking to the Others' camp to get Walt back. Jack understands that Michael has betrayed them again. They then hear the Whispers. They all look around and point their guns. Sawyer is then shot in the neck with an electric shocker. Jack then tells them to run and he and Kate run away. "This is no good (or) Let's do something (or) We're near them" "He's asking him something" "Yeah but what happened" "They saw a smoke signal" "Elizabeth" "Did (does) somebody see you (or) It looks like her but" "You' re on her right" "Behind you" "I'll have to listen to the dreams (trees) to learn (find) something" "He'll need to instruct you (or) Do we ambush" "Why can't you (two) do it (or) Can't you see" (Sawyer gets hit with dart) "Got to have a team with you" "Okay crank it up" (Kate: Sawyer!) "I knew that something bad would happen" "I assume this is how you would do it" "Don't tell anyone he wants it done (or) Don't want anyone to die" "Lets assemble them (or) This is similar (or) What's this symbol of" (Jack: Run! Go! Go!) "It was her" "So she was never taken. Said I was about to (or) Someone attacked them" "Get your butt out of there" "Try the sequence" "Had to be given lessons" "Turn it on beside you" "Don't do it" "Don't see" (Gunshots) "You're gonna have to do it" "You are too" 'Why can't we choose (or) I can't reach it" "Two more people (or) Too young people" "I'm frightened" "Please" "Come on it's simple" "Intruder alert" "Do you think I should lock this" "No, I've seen them before" "Close the door" "You all need me" Season 2, ep 23, 24: "Live Together, Die Alone" "Elizabeth" "Elizabeth" "Elizabeth" "Him" "Michael" "Elizabeth" "Stop!" "Elizabeth" "Michael" "Gun" "Elizabeth" "Michael" Season 3, ep. 1: "A Tale of Two Cities" Jack is using the intercom where he is being held prisoner in the Hydra Hatch: "Has she tried to talk to him (or) shall we talk to him " "Look on " "Has he answered (or) His head is hurt" "Don't (won't) talk " "We're not sure if he knows that much (or) We're not sure if we'll find out much" "That's what I was thinking" "Let him go free" "It's not easy keeping something that secret (sacred) " "What are you gonna do (or) go on and do it " "Let it go Jack" (Christian's voice?) 'Now I can tell what you're doing " "Bring it back to her" Season 3, ep. 5: The Cost of Living. These Whispers occur after Eko is thrown to the ground by Smokey: "It's over" "Right now/here" "What happened" "Shhhh" "what's happening " "Now we got his. I don't want to kill him " "What just happened?" (Eko: I will guide you. I'm going soon) "What'd he say? " "Help me up " "is she following " (Eko to Locke: They're coming next for you!) Dies. Season 3, ep. 20: "Man Behind the Curtain" This occurs as Little Ben is at the sonic fence: when he sees his dead mother: Man: "Look at me" Ben's mother: "Look at me. It's all right, it's okay, I'm here. Look at me." Man: "Ben, You're my prisoner and- (inaudible, but most likely: "and we are ready" or "and you are mine".) Man: demonic laugh. (Ben: I'm scared mom) Mom: "It's all right, don't worry, patience Ben." "Talk to him" "Tell him that you're his mother" "Tell him to be patient" "That will just make it worse" {Ben: Mom?} Mom Vision: "Ben Don't!" {Ben: Mom...} Mom Vision: "It's not time yet, Benjamin." "What's happening" "If we can go over there we might be able to see it, but I don't know" "Help us come through the fence" "We're sending one, don't argue" "I'm glad you decided to see me/to send me" "Because I love him" "That's right, that's what I mean/That's right that's what I need" "Don't worry about it" "Your'e the one...." Season 4, ep. 1: The Beginning of the End" near the cabin. Hurley hears them: "Come to me, I need you. You're an alchemist and uh..." "I need-" (Sounds like Christian Shephard): "Sarah, Is somebody coming?" "They must be coming, you-" "Hush! One of these-" "Richard!" "Come with us." "Here's the recipe." "Oh thank you, I thought I'd lost-" Season 4, ep.1 : "The Beginning of the End" where Hurley is at the cabin: "You have to believe it's me, Nikki" "Shush" "Did anyone say something?" "I said nothing" "You better not say a friggin thing or talk about Desmond" "It's Me" "I'm not going to listen to them" "It's January 7th" "I see somebody" "Do you recognize him?" Season 4, ep. 6: This is from "The Other Woman" Right before Juliet runs into Harper in the jungle: "Sarah is having another..." "Is that the other woman?" "Look out" "Sarah is having another..." "Did you hear that?" "If she won't save us then who is?" "Sarah, somebody's coming" "There is somebody coming" "Hold on one second" "There is somebody coming" This is where Juliet runs into Harper (Goodwin's wife) in the jungle. "He can die" "You never Know" "This is Lipidis?" "I told you" "There is no way to stop them" "I Know" After Jack runs into Juliet and Harper: "Look out" "Sarah, it's someone we know. Sarah, it's someone we know" "I'm not answering" "Answer them" "We have our answer" "Can we trust her?" Finally, a very faint whisper can be heard right before Juliet uses the pulley door contraption at the Tempest Station. "It's Juliet"
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Lots of hints and such regarding season 6. These are not necessarily spoilers, but hints and things to look forward to. However, if you don't want to know stop reading now.
Comic Con is a conference that showcases sci fi, comics, fantasy-genre games, tv, movies, and books. The LOST producers were there to answer questions and show some videos. Points of interest:
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Excellent, Bao, thanks for the update! The wife & I are going to re-watch the last half of this past year's season later this month. A lot to look forward to in the new season!
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With only a few weeks left before the final season begins, I thought I'd give Bao's thread a bump!
To add to ComicCon info above, here's an interesting tidbit I found: Season Six is the first and only season of Lost to not feature any kind of preview or official promotional material (such as sneak peeks and promo pictures for future episodes.) The Lost producers consider any scene from the first few episodes to be too revealing. According to Lindelof, "even a single scene from the show would basically tip what it is we're doing this year, and what it is we're doing this year is different than what we've done in other years." Should make reviewing & analyzing this year's episodes very enjoyable--and time consuming! ![]()
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Oh man, I'm SOOO excited! I don't think they'll wrap it up, but hopefully we'll get plenty of answers.
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I feel like I'm expecting my first born child on Feb 2nd!
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My wife's as big a fan as I am--and she reminded me that February 2 is our anniversary. Guess we'll be eating in & watching Lost this year!
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Did I post this yet? Hmmm
Lots of hints and such regarding season 6. These are not necessarily spoilers, but hints and things to look forward to. However, if you don't want to know stop reading now. Comic Con is a conference that showcases sci fi, comics, fantasy-genre games, tv, movies, and books. The LOST producers were there to answer questions and show some videos. Points of interest: 1. Season six of will be reminiscent of season one in that there will be a lot of running through the jungle and emotional development for the characters. 2. Faraday WILL appear in season 6. 3. They also mention that Season 6 won't have time travel or flash forwards, but "something different." 4. The marketing graphic for season 6 included all our favorite characters (even some dead ones!) but the important thing is that the last character added to the animation was Locke, and he was very obviously facing backwards, while all the other characters were facing forward. Creepy! (see attached poster) 5. They confirm that Richard Alpert will be finally getting his flashback in the final season. And Richard himself, actor Nestor Carbonell, is there on video, looking at himself in the mirror backstage. "Richard Alpert isn't ageless. YOU are," he says to himself. He then throws a fit over being handed the wrong eyeliner. So funny! 6. Juliet will appear, in some fashion, in season 6 and her survival is contingent upon Jack's plan working (bomb exploding). 7. The mystery of the food pallet drops will be uncovered in season 6. 8. The show's producers say that Jacob always looks like Jacob. By this, they mean that we won't learn later that people that have come in and out of the lives of our characters was in fact Jacob in disguise. 9. According to Josh Holloway in the press room, Sawyer will be destroyed by the tragedy of Juliet, pushing him back towards his original, more "salty" character. He'll still carry around season five's character growth, but he'll be rejecting it. 10. We learn that Libby's last name was Smith (Elizabeth Smith). 11. Three videos are shown: 1. An Oceanic Airlines video which says that the airline has had a perfect safety record since 1979. 2. A Mr. Cluck's Chicken commercial where Hurley is announced as the owner and CEO and says that ever since he won the lottery he's had nothing but good luck. 3. An "America's Most Wanted" clip that shows Kate as a fugitive who meant to kill her stepfather but accidentally killed the wrong man. 4. All three hinted that Season 6 will see some form of alternate time line. It doesn't literally mean that these things happen in the future, but the show now wants us to start thinking about the fact that Jack, with a major assist from Juliet, actually pulled off his plan. 12. Jorge Garcia (Hurley) is in the audience and notes that the videos just shown heavily hint that the previous five seasons will be wiped away if Jack was successful. He calls such a move a "cheat." The producers ask that he trust them, to which Jorge delivers the line: "Last time I trusted you guys, you said Nikki and Paulo were going to be awesome." 13. Lastly, Dominic Monaghan (Charlie Pace) crashes the stage. Onlookers noted the words, "Am I alive?" written on his hand as he waves to the audience.
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With the much-anticipated day rapidly approaching, I just thought I'd drop this off for any interested parties: http://www.myspace.com/theoceanicsixmusic
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