Legend's rating system - Page 2

Bruins Fan · 12-02-2011, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by poker

I have 3 simple categories I put all cigars I smoke into.

1) It sucked ass.
2) It was alright.
3) I really liked it.

Yep that's about right

icehog3 · 02-16-2009, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by TheRiddick

Fair question.

I can tell you from FIRST HAND experience, MINE, that it is not true.

Like I said, its time to put this "myth" to bed and move on.

I appreciate the thoughtful response, and you make some excellent points. I would still argue that it is your personal opinion and experience rather than actual "proof", but I do understand why you feel the way you do.

02-16-2009, 09:28 AM

I like Legend's rating system and have found myself agreeing with a good number of his reviews. (for what that's worth)

Da Klugs · 02-16-2009, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by yitlin

I like Legend's rating system and have found myself agreeing with a good number of his reviews. (for what that's worth)

This is the point!!! It can be very helpful to find someone who has similar tastes regardless of the review method. So many different options and informed guidance is cool.

When are you going to pull the trigger on the Cremosas?

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10270

02-16-2009, 09:34 AM

Consider them in the mail.

02-16-2009, 09:46 AM

I use my own rating system as well. I find it to be a much more accurate score than CA's score. The CA score is almost always between 80 and 100. The problem with CA's system is that they give the same importance to the way a cigar tastes and the way it looks. Anyone who has ever had a RyJ cazadore or a por larranaga petit corona will tell you that looks aren't everything. I believe they should be considered but not at equal importance to the flavor. Same goes with smoking characteristics.

So my system is a weighted average. If a cigar was average it should rate a 50. Here are the particulars. Incidentally, we have been using it on blowinsmoke.net for some time and it works very well.

appearance 10 possible points
flavor 20 possible points
smoking characteristics 10 possible points
price 5 possible points

Total up the points, divide by 45 and multiply by 100. This gives you the score.

Example:

appearance: 9
flavor: 12
smoking characteristic: 9
price: 4

34/45 X 100 = 76%

On CAs system this cigar would have scored quite high because the appearance, price,a nd smoking characteristics were almost perfect. With this system it is fairly represented and now everyone knows to stay away from it.

icehog3 · 02-16-2009, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by pmp

The problem with CA's system is that they give the same importance to the way a cigar tastes and the way it looks. Anyone who has ever had a RyJ cazadore or a por larranaga petit corona will tell you that looks aren't everything. I believe they should be considered but not at equal importance to the flavor. Same goes with smoking characteristics.

Excellent point.

68TriShield · 02-17-2009, 10:08 AM

68TriShield thanks Legend for sharing his rating system though he will continue to use his "suck-does not suck" rating system

borndead1 · 02-17-2009, 10:24 AM

THREADJACK

borndead1's rating system:

Fantastic -- must stockpile as many as I can
Very good -- nice smoke, will keep some on hand
Meh -- hold onto them and see if they get better
YUCK -- throw them away

02-17-2009, 10:31 AM

I said it here....

Tobii rating

it doesn't get any easier

markem · 02-17-2009, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 68TriShield

68TriShield thanks Legend for sharing his rating system though he will continue to use his "suck-does not suck" rating system

I thought I stole my system from someone reliable ... but I guess it was just Dave.

68TriShield · 02-17-2009, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by vstrommark

I thought I stole my system from someone reliable ... but I guess it was just Dave.

Dave was very hurt by Marks post

Da Klugs · 02-17-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 68TriShield

68TriShield thanks Legend for sharing his rating system though he will continue to use his "suck-does not suck" rating system

Da Klugs also sends his thanks for the sharing and he feels that there is no one perfect system just us imperfect smokers. As such, he will continue to use his rambling dialog format for cigar review and rankings.

FWIW - Da Klugs also has a rarely used 5 point scale....

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showpo...91&postcount=1

02-17-2009, 07:08 PM

Legend feels that the botl here feel that occasionally referring to yourself in the third person starts a trend.

pnoon · 02-17-2009, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Legend

Legend feels that the botl here feel that occasionally referring to yourself in the third person starts a trend.

Not exactly.

DrDubzz · 02-17-2009, 03:43 PM

Usually for me

Bad

Good, won't buy again

Good, will buy again

that's my main three categories

michael88n · 02-16-2009, 01:36 PM

IMHO,

The purpose of any review is to provide a baseline for other people to compare and contrast their own tastes with another. If I agree with two or three reviews of the same person, it's likely that I'll like something else that they like. And if I find that I don't like the same cigar in the fourth review, then I'll chalk it up to a bad stick, difference in palate, or that big glass of milk that I drank right before I smoked it. Whatever.

I'm really not a fan of number systems. Some make sense and and some don't. IMO, Legend's makes sense to me.

But personally, I want to know what the entire experience was like. How did you enjoy it? Explain it to me.

I've only written two reviews, and in both I've tried to describe the smoking experience from start to finish. Use the senses of sight, smell, taste, and touch. If I could describe hoe the cigar sounds, I would try to do that as well. But I can tell you if I hear birds or trucks or music playing and how that enhances or detracts from my experience.

But no review (or reviewer) is perfect. We all know that. It's all a matter of perspective.

Cheers,
Michael

Oh, and that bit about cA and their point scale? I'll take it seriously when I read a review where they smoke something and give it a 32 or a 14. We've all smoked 'that' cigar (maybe half of it before it was tossed). Whether or not ad revenues have anything to do with it, I think is a moot point.

02-16-2009, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by michael88n

IMHO,

Oh, and that bit about cA and their point scale? I'll take it seriously when I read a review where they smoke something and give it a 32 or a 14. We've all smoked 'that' cigar (maybe half of it before it was tossed). Whether or not ad revenues have anything to do with it, I think is a moot point.

I don't think CAs system will ever see a cigar that low. With the adjustment I have made to their system you will definitely get cigars that low if you bother to review swishers and white owls. The lowest score I have ever given was a non cuban bolivar right after they were released. It recieved somewhere in the 40s. This denotes a slightly below average cigar. That was perhaps generous for that cigar but in its defense it was perfect in all categories except flavor. That said if you are the one actually having to endure the flavor of one of those, mid 40s still sounds too high but its probably pretty fair.

croatan · 02-16-2009, 04:15 PM

Since this thread has already gone off topic, I'll add my own opinion on reviews:

Smoking cigars is fun. Talking about cigars is fun. Mathematically quantifying cigars or forcing them into arguably arbitrary categories is not fun.

TheRiddick · 02-16-2009, 05:21 PM

There is a real danger with point scores. As already mentioned, they are objective to only one person and no one else. While in essence, taste preference is actually a very subjective thing. Thus we attempt to correlate two very different things and that never works.

What's the difference between a 91 point rated cigar and a 92 rated one?

02-16-2009, 09:28 AM	#3
yitlin Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Legend's rating system I like Legend's rating system and have found myself agreeing with a good number of his reviews. (for what that's worth)

02-16-2009, 09:34 AM	#5
yitlin Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Legend's rating system Consider them in the mail.

02-16-2009, 09:46 AM	#6
pmp Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Legend's rating system I use my own rating system as well. I find it to be a much more accurate score than CA's score. The CA score is almost always between 80 and 100. The problem with CA's system is that they give the same importance to the way a cigar tastes and the way it looks. Anyone who has ever had a RyJ cazadore or a por larranaga petit corona will tell you that looks aren't everything. I believe they should be considered but not at equal importance to the flavor. Same goes with smoking characteristics. So my system is a weighted average. If a cigar was average it should rate a 50. Here are the particulars. Incidentally, we have been using it on blowinsmoke.net for some time and it works very well. appearance 10 possible points flavor 20 possible points smoking characteristics 10 possible points price 5 possible points Total up the points, divide by 45 and multiply by 100. This gives you the score. Example: appearance: 9 flavor: 12 smoking characteristic: 9 price: 4 34/45 X 100 = 76% On CAs system this cigar would have scored quite high because the appearance, price,a nd smoking characteristics were almost perfect. With this system it is fairly represented and now everyone knows to stay away from it.

02-17-2009, 10:08 AM	#8
68TriShield Got Torque? Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Dave Location: Maryland Posts: 7,195 Trading: (40)	Re: Legend's rating system 68TriShield thanks Legend for sharing his rating system though he will continue to use his "suck-does not suck" rating system

02-17-2009, 10:24 AM	#9
borndead1 Ayatollah of Rock n Rolla Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mark Location: Lancaster, CA Posts: 1,390 Trading: (7)	Re: Legend's rating system THREADJACK borndead1's rating system: Fantastic -- must stockpile as many as I can Very good -- nice smoke, will keep some on hand Meh -- hold onto them and see if they get better YUCK -- throw them away

02-17-2009, 10:31 AM	#10
tobii3 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Legend's rating system I said it here.... Tobii rating it doesn't get any easier

02-17-2009, 07:08 PM	#14
Legend Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Legend's rating system Legend feels that the botl here feel that occasionally referring to yourself in the third person starts a trend.

02-17-2009, 03:43 PM	#16
DrDubzz Formerly RX2010 Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tim Location: England Posts: 2,203 Trading: (34)	Re: Legend's rating system Usually for me Bad Good, won't buy again Good, will buy again that's my main three categories

02-16-2009, 01:36 PM	#17
michael88n Finger Sniffer Join Date: Feb 2009 First Name: Michael Location: PNW Posts: 166 Trading: (3)	Re: Legend's rating system IMHO, The purpose of any review is to provide a baseline for other people to compare and contrast their own tastes with another. If I agree with two or three reviews of the same person, it's likely that I'll like something else that they like. And if I find that I don't like the same cigar in the fourth review, then I'll chalk it up to a bad stick, difference in palate, or that big glass of milk that I drank right before I smoked it. Whatever. I'm really not a fan of number systems. Some make sense and and some don't. IMO, Legend's makes sense to me. But personally, I want to know what the entire experience was like. How did you enjoy it? Explain it to me. I've only written two reviews, and in both I've tried to describe the smoking experience from start to finish. Use the senses of sight, smell, taste, and touch. If I could describe hoe the cigar sounds, I would try to do that as well. But I can tell you if I hear birds or trucks or music playing and how that enhances or detracts from my experience. But no review (or reviewer) is perfect. We all know that. It's all a matter of perspective. Cheers, Michael Oh, and that bit about cA and their point scale? I'll take it seriously when I read a review where they smoke something and give it a 32 or a 14. We've all smoked 'that' cigar (maybe half of it before it was tossed). Whether or not ad revenues have anything to do with it, I think is a moot point.

02-16-2009, 04:15 PM	#19
croatan Missing Peter Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: James Location: la Vuelta Abajo Posts: 3,727 Trading: (6)	Re: Legend's rating system Since this thread has already gone off topic, I'll add my own opinion on reviews: Smoking cigars is fun. Talking about cigars is fun. Mathematically quantifying cigars or forcing them into arguably arbitrary categories is not fun. __________________ Fumo ergo sum.

02-16-2009, 05:21 PM	#20
TheRiddick Non-believer Join Date: Jan 2009 First Name: Greg Location: Las Vegas Posts: 943 Trading: (7)	Re: Legend's rating system There is a real danger with point scores. As already mentioned, they are objective to only one person and no one else. While in essence, taste preference is actually a very subjective thing. Thus we attempt to correlate two very different things and that never works. What's the difference between a 91 point rated cigar and a 92 rated one?