8 year old kid gets pepper sprayed by the police. - Page 2

Blueface · 04-10-2011, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by backwoods357

There is a line between beating your kids and discipline and I think its pretty clear. I don't agree with hitting your kids, or physically contacting them in anger. I got spanked pretty often for a few years and after I got the point almost never. My stepdouche liked to toss me around ( I remember him once repeatedly full palm belting me across the face while I was in the shower) but my mom and dad didn't.

I agree with being anti beatings.
However, one swift solid foot up the a$$ requiring a proctologist to remove the shoe is perfect for this situation.

Stephen · 04-10-2011, 11:05 PM

As good a reason as any to post a South Park video.

N2 GOLD · 04-11-2011, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Blueface

I agree with being anti beatings.
However, one swift solid foot up the a$$ requiring a proctologist to remove the shoe is perfect for this situation.

Agree, good ol fashioned discipline is good every now & then. By NO means do I condone beating any child. Just keep them in line old school way.

icehog3 · 04-10-2011, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by backwoods357

I got spanked pretty often for a few years and after I got the point almost never.

I got the point loud and clear when I got the belt, I promise you.

Children don't read adult friends, or to be "reasoned" with. They need parents.

KenyanSandBoa · 04-11-2011, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

I got the point loud and clear when I got the belt, I promise you.

Children don't read adult friends, or to be "reasoned" with. They need parents.

I couldn't agree more, Tom. I see all of these parents that spend more time trying to be friends with their kids than being parents. Living in the crazy liberal state of Massachusetts, if you discipline your kids, you're called out for being cruel.

When I was growing up, my father raised us on the 2-Strike rule...he told you not to do somethng, and if you did it again, you got your a$$ handed to you...none of this "try to rationalize with your child" BS.

357 · 04-11-2011, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by OLS

Pity
this country the children they have spawned with this everbody gets a trophy, no beatings at home or
in school drooling doofus squad. Ironic that society has forced us to consider SO MUCH the impressions of
others as to how we raise our own children, and yet somehow this results in generations of children who could
CARE LESS what people think of them. Our society functions best when each child thinks first about how
his behavior affects the lives of others.

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Originally Posted by icehog3

I got the point loud and clear when I got the belt, I promise you.

Children don't read adult friends, or to be "reasoned" with. They need parents.

I'm with you guys. If a child will not respect his parent, how do you expect that same child to respect any other authority; teacher, professor, police officer, or the law in general.

Proberbs is known as the book of wisdom for good reason.

Proverbs 13:
[24] He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

Proverbs 22:
[15] Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.

Proverbs 23:
[13] Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.
[14] Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.

Please understand that today the word beat has a negative connotation. The context surrounding these verses makes it very clear that this is not the kind of beatings that happen out of rage, drunken or otherwise. The heart and mind of a parent must not be filled with rage or anger when administering punishment.

replicant_argent · 04-10-2011, 01:23 PM

so, according to his mom, he "doesn't have these issues at home," or somesuch.

That tells me that he is probably just a little sh!t when he doesn't think he is going to get into trouble. The professionals don't think there is an actual mental problem with him, mom says? Okay, that leaves a simple discipline problem.
I may not be the worlds greatest dad, but I can recognize bullsh!t when I see it.

replicant_argent · 04-10-2011, 02:49 PM

While teaching kids their actions have effects on others is very important, it is not more important than teaching them personal responsibility. That can be stressed and taught far before second grade. It is also a lost cause for many, anathema to some, and unthinkable to an unfortunate and growing minority.

backwoods357 · 04-10-2011, 02:52 PM

I think the reason the mother claims he doesn't have these problems at home is because she is either lying or just lets him run the house as he sees fit. Also it looks like Mark is right, the little turd had them trapped in a room. He admitted that he wanted the piece of wood to be pointy, to "hit them with", he pretty obviously wanted to stab them. As far as I'm concerned he should be charged with a felony (assault, attempted murder) for each person he had cornered in that room. I wouldn't want him to serve time, I feel that could only make him worse. I just don't want him to be able to own a gun or join the armed forces.

Blueface · 04-10-2011, 03:00 PM

I think the key difference between his upbringing, mine and the way I raised my kids is I would have had by butt inverted by my dad's foot.
I would be be bed bound for months.
I would have my favorite toys literally thrown away, regardless of what my dad paid for them.
Lastly, my dad would express shame and the very last thing he would ever, ever do is defend me or justify my actions.
That is the way I raised my kids. They are not perfect but have never been criminals.

T.G · 04-10-2011, 03:00 PM

Just cut off his foot and be done with it already. Teach that little rebellious punk once and for all.

emopunker2004 · 04-10-2011, 10:05 PM

hey that kid's lucky he didn't get shot

shilala · 04-11-2011, 07:43 AM

There was question to the kid's mental condition.
In the interview, there was mention that the child was afflicted with PTSD. The interviewer picked apart the PTSD thing, and it appears he has PTSD from being bullied.
Which brings me to bullying...
If some of you do not have kids going to school right now (we have 3, 9-14), the latest and greatest craze is the "just say no to bullying" campaign. There are assemblies, "special people" come to the school, non in-house police visit the schools, there are homework assignments, and tests on how to handle a bully.
Mind ya now, this is no sh1t coming right here...
If a bully, say, grabs your arm, you are to pull your arm away and shout "NO!!!!" That will instantly and effectively eradicate the bullying, at which time you are to immediately go to the office and file a report on the incident.
To this point in time, that's it. The kids haven't been instructed in self defense, haven't been taught how to break a nose, they weren't even so much as taught to run screaming to draw attention. Nothing realistic to protect themselves.

I don't really want to make light of this, because I guess some think it's become a great big problem. I can't imagine how bad I'd feel if my child were regular bully meat. I was fortunate growing up, I got bullied once by a kid much bigger than me. He took to writing on my face with a marker. I slapped the marker away and he was fixing to whip my ass when my brother came around the corner. The ass whipping immediately changed ownership, and said bully never came within 50 feet of me the rest of the year. By the following year, I could take care of him myself. Thank God for big brothers.

That leads me to a point/question...
There's gazillions of "kids band together and banish the bully" feel-good movies out there. None of our kids (5) have ever had a problem. Is this one another blown-up media hypesicle, or do your kids report that it's really gotten worse?
Mine have not. If anything, it's the opposite. There are penalties in place now for violating another kid's personal space that weren't in place when I was coming up, but on the other hand, the kids can say most anything without fear of reprisal. There's a big difference there.

OLS · 04-11-2011, 07:55 AM

I guess Mario that what you are saying is that you got beat for no reason. I made it clear that I had it
coming everytime. I know why I got beaten, I took the beatings, I did not associate the beatings with
any flaw in my parents but rather a reward for the fun that I had that I knew I would have to pay for
one day. I knew I was a devious lil $hi+, and I knew there would be a day of comeuppance.
And it was worth it. I feel for people who were abused by POSs, and yet it still does not change my
opinion that kids have no fear of consequences today, and that is DUE TO SOMETHING MISSING that has
been taken out of the aresnal of good parenting. I can understand the real sensitivity you have to the issue
Mario, but to me it is like saying that everyone who owns a gun is going to murder someone someday.
A good weapon in the hands of a person with bad intent is going to be abused. I see spanking as a good
weapon that can be used for bad by cruel people.

shilala · 04-11-2011, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by OLS

I guess Mario that what you are saying is that you got beat for no reason. I made it clear that I had it
coming everytime. I know why I got beaten, I took the beatings, I did not associate the beatings with
any flaw in my parents but rather a reward for the fun that I had that I knew I would have to pay for
one day. I knew I was a devious lil $hi+, and I knew there would be a day of comeuppance.
And it was worth it. I feel for people who were abused by POSs, and yet it still does not change my
opinion that kids have no fear of consequences today, and that is DUE TO SOMETHING MISSING that has
been taken out of the aresnal of good parenting. I can understand the real sensitivity you have to the issue
Mario, but to me it is like saying that everyone who owns a gun is going to murder someone someday.
A good weapon in the hands of a person with bad intent is going to be abused. I see spanking as a good
weapon that can be used for bad by cruel people.

There's always gonna be an asshole in every crowd, and unfortunately, Mario found him.
Mario shows day in and day out that some of the best men ever made walked a long sh1t-covered road to get there.

OLS · 04-11-2011, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by shilala

Mario shows day in and day out that some of the best men ever made walked a long sh1t-covered road to get there.

I agree...I loves me some Mario.

Starscream · 04-11-2011, 10:48 AM

I can think of many other children around that age that need to get pepper sprayed as well.

Subvet642 · 04-11-2011, 11:03 AM

Modern parenting:

I've tried nothin', Man, and I'm outta ideas.

OLS · 04-11-2011, 01:44 PM

And don't forget the Clarence Thomas rule...Thou shalt not show thy rod to thy staff.

KenyanSandBoa · 04-11-2011, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by OLS

And don't forget the Clarence Thomas rule...Thou shalt not show thy rod to thy staff.

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replicant_argent Gravy Boat Winnah. Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Pete Location: my attorney has advised against giving this information to insane people Posts: 5,326 Trading: (22)	Re: 8 year old kid gets pepper sprayed by the police. so, according to his mom, he "doesn't have these issues at home," or somesuch. That tells me that he is probably just a little sh!t when he doesn't think he is going to get into trouble. The professionals don't think there is an actual mental problem with him, mom says? Okay, that leaves a simple discipline problem. I may not be the worlds greatest dad, but I can recognize bullsh!t when I see it. __________________ www.stogietorch.com Some days call for a stiff Pomade.

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replicant_argent Gravy Boat Winnah. Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Pete Location: my attorney has advised against giving this information to insane people Posts: 5,326 Trading: (22)	Re: 8 year old kid gets pepper sprayed by the police. While teaching kids their actions have effects on others is very important, it is not more important than teaching them personal responsibility. That can be stressed and taught far before second grade. It is also a lost cause for many, anathema to some, and unthinkable to an unfortunate and growing minority. __________________ www.stogietorch.com Some days call for a stiff Pomade.

04-10-2011, 02:52 PM	#9
backwoods357 Adjusting to the Life Join Date: Mar 2011 First Name: Jorgen Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 349 Trading: (14)	Re: 8 year old kid gets pepper sprayed by the police. I think the reason the mother claims he doesn't have these problems at home is because she is either lying or just lets him run the house as he sees fit. Also it looks like Mark is right, the little turd had them trapped in a room. He admitted that he wanted the piece of wood to be pointy, to "hit them with", he pretty obviously wanted to stab them. As far as I'm concerned he should be charged with a felony (assault, attempted murder) for each person he had cornered in that room. I wouldn't want him to serve time, I feel that could only make him worse. I just don't want him to be able to own a gun or join the armed forces.

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Blueface Gramps 4x's Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Horatio Seymore Hiny Location: Boca Raton - North of La Habana Posts: 8,774 Trading: (8)	Re: 8 year old kid gets pepper sprayed by the police. I think the key difference between his upbringing, mine and the way I raised my kids is I would have had by butt inverted by my dad's foot. I would be be bed bound for months. I would have my favorite toys literally thrown away, regardless of what my dad paid for them. Lastly, my dad would express shame and the very last thing he would ever, ever do is defend me or justify my actions. That is the way I raised my kids. They are not perfect but have never been criminals. __________________ Little known fact: I am a former member of the Village People - The Indian

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T.G Grrrrrr Join Date: Mar 2009 First Name: The Other Adam Posts: 15,568 Trading: (37)	Re: 8 year old kid gets pepper sprayed by the police. Just cut off his foot and be done with it already. Teach that little rebellious punk once and for all.

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shilala Dear Lord, Thank You. Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Scott Posts: 13,721 Trading: (252)	Re: 8 year old kid gets pepper sprayed by the police. There was question to the kid's mental condition. In the interview, there was mention that the child was afflicted with PTSD. The interviewer picked apart the PTSD thing, and it appears he has PTSD from being bullied. Which brings me to bullying... If some of you do not have kids going to school right now (we have 3, 9-14), the latest and greatest craze is the "just say no to bullying" campaign. There are assemblies, "special people" come to the school, non in-house police visit the schools, there are homework assignments, and tests on how to handle a bully. Mind ya now, this is no sh1t coming right here... If a bully, say, grabs your arm, you are to pull your arm away and shout "NO!!!!" That will instantly and effectively eradicate the bullying, at which time you are to immediately go to the office and file a report on the incident. To this point in time, that's it. The kids haven't been instructed in self defense, haven't been taught how to break a nose, they weren't even so much as taught to run screaming to draw attention. Nothing realistic to protect themselves. I don't really want to make light of this, because I guess some think it's become a great big problem. I can't imagine how bad I'd feel if my child were regular bully meat. I was fortunate growing up, I got bullied once by a kid much bigger than me. He took to writing on my face with a marker. I slapped the marker away and he was fixing to whip my ass when my brother came around the corner. The ass whipping immediately changed ownership, and said bully never came within 50 feet of me the rest of the year. By the following year, I could take care of him myself. Thank God for big brothers. That leads me to a point/question... There's gazillions of "kids band together and banish the bully" feel-good movies out there. None of our kids (5) have ever had a problem. Is this one another blown-up media hypesicle, or do your kids report that it's really gotten worse? Mine have not. If anything, it's the opposite. There are penalties in place now for violating another kid's personal space that weren't in place when I was coming up, but on the other hand, the kids can say most anything without fear of reprisal. There's a big difference there. __________________

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OLS Suck It Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Brad Location: TN Posts: 7,912 Trading: (19)	Re: 8 year old kid gets pepper sprayed by the police. I guess Mario that what you are saying is that you got beat for no reason. I made it clear that I had it coming everytime. I know why I got beaten, I took the beatings, I did not associate the beatings with any flaw in my parents but rather a reward for the fun that I had that I knew I would have to pay for one day. I knew I was a devious lil $hi+, and I knew there would be a day of comeuppance. And it was worth it. I feel for people who were abused by POSs, and yet it still does not change my opinion that kids have no fear of consequences today, and that is DUE TO SOMETHING MISSING that has been taken out of the aresnal of good parenting. I can understand the real sensitivity you have to the issue Mario, but to me it is like saying that everyone who owns a gun is going to murder someone someday. A good weapon in the hands of a person with bad intent is going to be abused. I see spanking as a good weapon that can be used for bad by cruel people.

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Starscream Knowhutimean, Vern? Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Andy Location: In a little town somewhere in the USA Posts: 10,237 Trading: (4)	Re: 8 year old kid gets pepper sprayed by the police. I can think of many other children around that age that need to get pepper sprayed as well. __________________ Insert quote here.

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OLS Suck It Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Brad Location: TN Posts: 7,912 Trading: (19)	Re: 8 year old kid gets pepper sprayed by the police. And don't forget the Clarence Thomas rule...Thou shalt not show thy rod to thy staff.