Going to pop the question...need ring suggestions! - Page 2

Eleven · 08-30-2011, 08:43 PM

I have been in the business for over 25 years and here are a couple things that I tell my friends:

Get a certified diamond, preferably GIA certified, they are the gold standard for diamond certification.

14k or platinum solitaire settings never go out of style.

Stick with a standard shape diamond (this one is my preference but it has not failed), you cannot go wrong with a Round Brilliant Cut.

If had to choose between attributes, I always say to NEVER skimp on color. You'll find 1 million diamonds out there with the standard "G-H-I" color range, but once you place a D or E color diamond next to any of those, you'll never question this recommendation again.

Also, be aware of any place that uses ranges when specifying color or clarity. If they say G-H-I or I quality without being specific such as G color, SI2, then you can be sure it's at the low end of that range, and I can guarantee whatever cert they may produce will not be GIA.

Good Luck and Congrats!

glassjapan · 09-01-2011, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Eleven

I have been in the business for over 25 years and here are a couple things that I tell my friends:

Get a certified diamond, preferably GIA certified, they are the gold standard for diamond certification.

14k or platinum solitaire settings never go out of style.

Stick with a standard shape diamond (this one is my preference but it has not failed), you cannot go wrong with a Round Brilliant Cut.

If had to choose between attributes, I always say to NEVER skimp on color. You'll find 1 million diamonds out there with the standard "G-H-I" color range, but once you place a D or E color diamond next to any of those, you'll never question this recommendation again.

Also, be aware of any place that uses ranges when specifying color or clarity. If they say G-H-I or I quality without being specific such as G color, SI2, then you can be sure it's at the low end of that range, and I can guarantee whatever cert they may produce will not be GIA.

Good Luck and Congrats!

In my best Pacino voice, "Are you listening to me Son, I'm giving you pearls here."

Excellent advice Eleven!

shilala · 08-31-2011, 06:23 AM

Congratulations, brother!!!

I used my hometown jeweler who's been there forever. I knew what I wanted because I knew what Lisa would like. I found the ring and matching wedding band and then ultimately bought her the matching band for the other side because we both thought it would look better. I never told her I was getting that second band, I just did it out of the blue. She had to stop there to have her ring soldered together and I made arrangements for them to add the other band. She was shocked and thrilled.
I like the idea of the man picking the ring. I think it's his job, not so much a group effort like a lot of couples do. Whatever makes a couple happy is fine of course, but I knew that's what Lisa would expect and she adores what I picked.
Another reason I used my hometown jeweler is because I knew what I should be paying for what I was buying and I knew I could beat him down to the best possible price, comparatively.
I'd bought jewelry there for years, so that made a difference, I suppose.

Whatever you do, good luck, and may you have a long and happy marriage!!!

rizzle · 08-31-2011, 08:40 AM

Find yourself a good wholesaler to buy your stone/stones from.

chippewastud79 · 08-31-2011, 09:26 AM

Find the Rapaport online, it will give you the best idea of what a diamond should cost. It is the industry standard for pricing and updates quarterly I believe. It isn't meant to be public, but there are certain sites out there who will have a copy, even if it is an old one.

Personally, I buy diamonds from a distributor, above a 'wholesaler', 'dealer' or individual store. Diamonds, like any item go up in price the further they travel. The best bet is finding a distributor who gets the diamonds straight from New York (point of entry for all diamonds). You will likely have to pay in cash or in full before you can take the finished product.

Avoid online jewelers like Blue Nile. They loosely group their diamonds into far more broad ranges than a jeweler would. They buy diamonds in bulk that are all 'similar' to the type that they are selling, they could be anywhere from 2-4 steps off of what you think you are buying. You could end up paying $1000 for a diamond that was supposed to be a certain weight, color and clarity but they send you a diamond that was close enough to the untrainned eye but ends up being worth $800 when appraised.

Know what you are looking at, learn the 4 C's before you go, this will also help with the Rapaport. Personally, buying a loose diamond and having it set is far more personal than buying a completed ring that anyone can buy. Always ask to use the jewelers magnifier to examine the diamond yourself. A good jeweler will point out the flaws in the diamond under the glass for you, this is so you can realize why the diamond was rated the way it was.

For metals, if you are going with a white/silver colored metal, I would recomend paladium over platinum and white gold. Paladium is a precious metal that is slightly more expensive than white gold but far less than platinum. White gold is essentially bleached gold and will yellow over time and need to be redone to return to its 'white' color. Platinum is far more expensive but also far more labor intensive, it scratches far too easy and muct be buffed out periodically. Paladium is brighter, more scratch reistant and whiter than both the other two. For the price, I don't think you can beat the look.

Have an idea what type of ring she would like: solitare vs. three stone, plain band vs. design, square cut vs. round cut, etc. If you have a basic idea, you should be able to customize a ring that she will love.

Best of luck with the search.

Trace63 · 08-31-2011, 10:27 AM

brilliantearth.com .... just got my fiance one from there this past January.
I got a 0.44 Carat, Round Shape, Super Ideal Cut, E Color, SI1 Clarity for $10xx I believe. Awesome service, a tonload of settings to choose from and conflict free diamonds to boot.

Blak Smyth · 08-31-2011, 11:03 AM

All I know is if you buy yellow gold it will make your teeth look whiter!

Bageland2000 · 08-31-2011, 03:17 PM

Bluenile is where I've spent a lot of time. I don't know if I'll actually buy a ring from there, but it's definitely a great resource for research!

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Originally Posted by shilala

Congratulations, brother!!!

I used my hometown jeweler who's been there forever. I knew what I wanted because I knew what Lisa would like. ...

Whatever you do, good luck, and may you have a long and happy marriage!!!

I want to buy her the ring without her knowing too! Not necessarily because I believe it to be my job as a man (I guess the fact that I'm buying her one period is still buying into patriarchal tradition lol, I'm a sociology major after all) but because I believe that's how gifts should be given. Thanks for the wishes!

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Originally Posted by chippewastud79

Find the Rapaport online, it will give you the best idea of what a diamond should cost. It is the industry standard for pricing and updates quarterly I believe....

Best of luck with the search.

looking online quickly yielded no downloadable reports. link? thanks for the help

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Originally Posted by Trace63

brilliantearth.com .... just got my fiance one from there this past January....

Did you feel comfortable buying such an intimate item online, and not even seeing it before you purchased it!?

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Originally Posted by Blak Smyth

All I know is if you buy yellow gold it will make your teeth look whiter!

bahahaha

08-31-2011, 03:26 PM

Most women seem to prefer a small ring. Might I suggest, say, a 46/6 corona?

Congrats no matter what ring you decide on! No matter what, she'll love it!

tsolomon · 08-31-2011, 03:42 PM

I had it easy, I married the jeweler's daughter. She knew what she wanted and her dad got in some loose stones from NY to pick from. She wanted an oval which I would never have thought of.

chippewastud79 · 08-31-2011, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Bageland2000

looking online quickly yielded no downloadable reports. link? thanks for the help

It appears that former sources of the list have all but dried up. Less than a year ago it was fairly available. The list is copywritten, so it is tough to come by regardless, but they muct be cracking down on it more recently.

A reputable jewelry shop will have a copy, they will most certainly not allow you to take one, but you may be able to take a look. It is a little confusing to look at, so you may want to find someone who is friendly enough to explain the report. Then you can discuss how much off the Rapaport (industry standard) they discount their diamonds. Keep in mind the loose diamond price still needs metal and setting/labor added to it for the final price.

Bageland2000 · 09-01-2011, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by chippewastud79

It appears that former sources of the list have all but dried up. Less than a year ago it was fairly available. The list is copywritten, so it is tough to come by regardless, but they muct be cracking down on it more recently.

A reputable jewelry shop will have a copy, they will most certainly not allow you to take one, but you may be able to take a look. It is a little confusing to look at, so you may want to find someone who is friendly enough to explain the report. Then you can discuss how much off the Rapaport (industry standard) they discount their diamonds. Keep in mind the loose diamond price still needs metal and setting/labor added to it for the final price.

So this is like the Kelly Blue Book for Diamonds huh? Gotta love that it isn't available to everyone, what a crock.

longknocker · 09-01-2011, 06:06 AM

Maybe It's Just Me, But My Wife & I Have Always Picked Out Rings, Jewelry, & Expensive Purchases Together. You're Starting Off A Beautiful Relationship As A Couple, Why Not Pick The Ring Together?

chippewastud79 · 09-01-2011, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Bageland2000

So this is like the Kelly Blue Book for Diamonds huh? Gotta love that it isn't available to everyone, what a crock.

Its essentially for retailers and people who deal in diamonds, the general public was not intended to have access to it. Thats why it was difficult to find it online prior to this, and now seemingly impossible. The only person whom I have had explain the list and let me look at it was the wholesaler I used for my wife's ring and subsequent diamond purchases.

Trace63 · 08-31-2011, 03:32 PM

Actually I did. The people at brilliantearth are amazing. Plus, they cover shipping there and back so if you dont like it you can just send it back. The pictures online are amazing and my diamond, and im pretty sure all of theres, are GIA certified so you know youre getting good stuff.

AND, if later on you want to swap out the stone, theyll do it and pay you exactly what you payed for the diamond at time of purchase.

Bageland2000 · 08-31-2011, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Hippiebrian

Most women seem to prefer a small ring. Might I suggest, say, a 46/6 corona?

Congrats no matter what ring you decide on! No matter what, she'll love it!

Thanks brother haha

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Originally Posted by Trace63

Actually I did. The people at brilliantearth are amazing. Plus, they cover shipping there and back so if you dont like it you can just send it back. The pictures online are amazing and my diamond, and im pretty sure all of theres, are GIA certified so you know youre getting good stuff.

AND, if later on you want to swap out the stone, theyll do it and pay you exactly what you payed for the diamond at time of purchase.

That sounds enticing, I'll look them up for sure!

76GTFan · 08-31-2011, 04:05 PM

I was fornutate to have a family heirloom diamond donated. I had to pay for the gold and the other small rocks, but it saved my arse. Not saying you have that option, but there are quality diamonds for affordable prices. Shane Co. is one place to look. They actually teach you about what you are buying and why some rocks are of higher quality than others. I know I didn't know much about that stuff before I had to. Congrats from a fellow GA native.

08-30-2011, 08:43 PM	#1
Eleven Solid As The Sun Join Date: Aug 2009 First Name: Scott Location: SW Ohio Posts: 1,859 Trading: (23)	Re: Going to pop the question...need ring suggestions! I have been in the business for over 25 years and here are a couple things that I tell my friends: Get a certified diamond, preferably GIA certified, they are the gold standard for diamond certification. 14k or platinum solitaire settings never go out of style. Stick with a standard shape diamond (this one is my preference but it has not failed), you cannot go wrong with a Round Brilliant Cut. If had to choose between attributes, I always say to NEVER skimp on color. You'll find 1 million diamonds out there with the standard "G-H-I" color range, but once you place a D or E color diamond next to any of those, you'll never question this recommendation again. Also, be aware of any place that uses ranges when specifying color or clarity. If they say G-H-I or I quality without being specific such as G color, SI2, then you can be sure it's at the low end of that range, and I can guarantee whatever cert they may produce will not be GIA. Good Luck and Congrats! __________________ CA: putting the 'man' in bromance since 2008! --markem.

08-31-2011, 06:23 AM	#3
shilala Dear Lord, Thank You. Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Scott Posts: 13,721 Trading: (252)	Re: Going to pop the question...need ring suggestions! Congratulations, brother!!! I used my hometown jeweler who's been there forever. I knew what I wanted because I knew what Lisa would like. I found the ring and matching wedding band and then ultimately bought her the matching band for the other side because we both thought it would look better. I never told her I was getting that second band, I just did it out of the blue. She had to stop there to have her ring soldered together and I made arrangements for them to add the other band. She was shocked and thrilled. I like the idea of the man picking the ring. I think it's his job, not so much a group effort like a lot of couples do. Whatever makes a couple happy is fine of course, but I knew that's what Lisa would expect and she adores what I picked. Another reason I used my hometown jeweler is because I knew what I should be paying for what I was buying and I knew I could beat him down to the best possible price, comparatively. I'd bought jewelry there for years, so that made a difference, I suppose. Whatever you do, good luck, and may you have a long and happy marriage!!! __________________

08-31-2011, 08:40 AM	#4
rizzle Order Restored Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: st pete, fl Posts: 2,679 Trading: (23)	Re: Going to pop the question...need ring suggestions! Find yourself a good wholesaler to buy your stone/stones from.

08-31-2011, 09:26 AM	#5
chippewastud79 Fatter than you! Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Larry Location: A little place called home. Posts: 5,397 Trading: (44)	Re: Going to pop the question...need ring suggestions! Find the Rapaport online, it will give you the best idea of what a diamond should cost. It is the industry standard for pricing and updates quarterly I believe. It isn't meant to be public, but there are certain sites out there who will have a copy, even if it is an old one. Personally, I buy diamonds from a distributor, above a 'wholesaler', 'dealer' or individual store. Diamonds, like any item go up in price the further they travel. The best bet is finding a distributor who gets the diamonds straight from New York (point of entry for all diamonds). You will likely have to pay in cash or in full before you can take the finished product. Avoid online jewelers like Blue Nile. They loosely group their diamonds into far more broad ranges than a jeweler would. They buy diamonds in bulk that are all 'similar' to the type that they are selling, they could be anywhere from 2-4 steps off of what you think you are buying. You could end up paying $1000 for a diamond that was supposed to be a certain weight, color and clarity but they send you a diamond that was close enough to the untrainned eye but ends up being worth $800 when appraised. Know what you are looking at, learn the 4 C's before you go, this will also help with the Rapaport. Personally, buying a loose diamond and having it set is far more personal than buying a completed ring that anyone can buy. Always ask to use the jewelers magnifier to examine the diamond yourself. A good jeweler will point out the flaws in the diamond under the glass for you, this is so you can realize why the diamond was rated the way it was. For metals, if you are going with a white/silver colored metal, I would recomend paladium over platinum and white gold. Paladium is a precious metal that is slightly more expensive than white gold but far less than platinum. White gold is essentially bleached gold and will yellow over time and need to be redone to return to its 'white' color. Platinum is far more expensive but also far more labor intensive, it scratches far too easy and muct be buffed out periodically. Paladium is brighter, more scratch reistant and whiter than both the other two. For the price, I don't think you can beat the look. Have an idea what type of ring she would like: solitare vs. three stone, plain band vs. design, square cut vs. round cut, etc. If you have a basic idea, you should be able to customize a ring that she will love. Best of luck with the search. __________________ If we weren't supposed to eat animals, then how come they're made of meat? You can never have too many cigars, they are like an investment in good times.

08-31-2011, 10:27 AM	#6
Trace63 We're all mad here Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Kamil Location: Somerville, MA Posts: 428 Trading: (5)	Re: Going to pop the question...need ring suggestions! brilliantearth.com .... just got my fiance one from there this past January. I got a 0.44 Carat, Round Shape, Super Ideal Cut, E Color, SI1 Clarity for $10xx I believe. Awesome service, a tonload of settings to choose from and conflict free diamonds to boot. __________________ [replicant_argent] 11:07 am: Wasn't wayne a busboy at the last supper? [Dooge] 10:49 pm: just judo chopped a fly

08-31-2011, 11:03 AM	#7
Blak Smyth Think Blue! Join Date: Jun 2011 First Name: SD Location: THE WOOD Posts: 8,486 Trading: (52)	Re: Going to pop the question...need ring suggestions! All I know is if you buy yellow gold it will make your teeth look whiter! __________________ SUPPORT OUR TROOPS

08-31-2011, 03:26 PM	#9
Hippiebrian Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Going to pop the question...need ring suggestions! Most women seem to prefer a small ring. Might I suggest, say, a 46/6 corona? Congrats no matter what ring you decide on! No matter what, she'll love it!

08-31-2011, 03:42 PM	#10
tsolomon Have My Own Room Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: The Villages, FL Posts: 1,249 Trading: (31)	Re: Going to pop the question...need ring suggestions! I had it easy, I married the jeweler's daughter. She knew what she wanted and her dad got in some loose stones from NY to pick from. She wanted an oval which I would never have thought of.

09-01-2011, 06:06 AM	#13
longknocker Postwhore Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Greg Location: Mobile, Alabama Posts: 11,233 Trading: (82)	Re: Going to pop the question...need ring suggestions! Maybe It's Just Me, But My Wife & I Have Always Picked Out Rings, Jewelry, & Expensive Purchases Together. You're Starting Off A Beautiful Relationship As A Couple, Why Not Pick The Ring Together?

08-31-2011, 03:32 PM	#15
Trace63 We're all mad here Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Kamil Location: Somerville, MA Posts: 428 Trading: (5)	Re: Going to pop the question...need ring suggestions! Actually I did. The people at brilliantearth are amazing. Plus, they cover shipping there and back so if you dont like it you can just send it back. The pictures online are amazing and my diamond, and im pretty sure all of theres, are GIA certified so you know youre getting good stuff. AND, if later on you want to swap out the stone, theyll do it and pay you exactly what you payed for the diamond at time of purchase. __________________ [replicant_argent] 11:07 am: Wasn't wayne a busboy at the last supper? [Dooge] 10:49 pm: just judo chopped a fly

08-31-2011, 04:05 PM	#17
76GTFan Full Blown Section 8 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Atlanta Posts: 503 Trading: (9)	Re: Going to pop the question...need ring suggestions! I was fornutate to have a family heirloom diamond donated. I had to pay for the gold and the other small rocks, but it saved my arse. Not saying you have that option, but there are quality diamonds for affordable prices. Shane Co. is one place to look. They actually teach you about what you are buying and why some rocks are of higher quality than others. I know I didn't know much about that stuff before I had to. Congrats from a fellow GA native. __________________ That you John Wayne. Is this me?