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12-04-2011, 09:48 AM | #441 |
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haha, USC, huh? That would be good, no doubt. The only facet of your analysis that I do not necessarily think
holds MUCH water is the wins versus top ten teams. IT IS A TELLING STAT, but in reality it shouldn't weigh too highly, simply because of the difficulty in scheduling. You can't expect all viable teams to be able to successfully schedule super-competition, or to be able to plan far enough in advance to get it done in practical terms. That said, you need to play good teams to have a shot at the respect you need to be in that one game that REALLY matters. That's where I think your top 25 stat shines. THAT is a reasonable stat to hold up as viable for more teams. You don't see a lot of GA Southerns and McNeese St.'s and Sisters of the Poor on OK St's resume. (I do not have their schedule available, maybe they do) I agree, I think it is not only more fair but more interesting to give another team a shot at LSU. If bama had not been AT HOME when they lost, I would likely be a little more convinced. I am on record as thinking OT losses and wins are a toss up, I think you get it done in regulation if you want to be taken seriously, but AT HOME and under SUCH conditions of being the favorite.,,not good. |
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12-04-2011, 09:53 AM | #443 | |
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teams we are talking about seem capable of beating LSU, anyway. I think most people agree that SEC football is the peak of power and balance in football today. They don't like it much, but it has indeed been made clear of late. |
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12-04-2011, 10:03 AM | #444 |
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Let me tell you ANOTHER reason why I think OK state is going to get into the slot in New Orleans.
I think the voters have been grudgingly swallowing a rematch given all the attrition taking place all over the field of battle before them. They have been holding their breath hoping a team would rise to the challenge and give them a viable and believable resume with which to avoid the REAL controversy nationwide that would ensue were they to vote in a rematch A., and B. a inter-conference rematch, and C. a SEC INTER-CONFERENCE REMATCH. I am not saying they want to avoid controversy at all costs, but I would bet that they hear the drums beating for the abolition of the system they have set up. It never ends, every year you have furious fans. Not what you are looking for in a system that's designed to create a concensus No.1. I say they JUMP at the chance to bump bama out of the title game. ------edit---------- Ehhh, JUMP at the chance to vote bama out is a real stretch. COVER SHOULD they vote bama out is more like it. Last edited by OLS; 12-04-2011 at 10:18 AM. |
12-04-2011, 10:36 AM | #445 | |
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12-04-2011, 10:46 AM | #446 |
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I'd say you have 80% bama - 20 % Oklahoma State. It should come down to how the voters want to be seen.
Do they want to be seen as realistic consumers of football or as accountants and arbiters of fairness across the national spectrum. Most fans of brutal, power football that want to see the pure game played at the highest level see it as a no-brainer...bama is in. There are other fans that see the SEC as a bunch of cheating football programs with loudmouth, arrogant fans. Who do the voters play to? Last edited by OLS; 12-04-2011 at 10:51 AM. |
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12-04-2011, 01:06 PM | #449 |
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Huh? I just provided MY estimate in addition to Greg's. I do not mean to infer that his is incorrect, not at all.
I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. I gave my reasoning and my analysis. Never once did I even intimate that I was right and someone else was wrong. In fact, i don't even have a problem with being WRONG here. I do not want bama in that game, but I am in a minority, especially here. Me wanting them out and giving reasons why I think they should be out will in fact likely LEAD to me being wrong in this case. |
12-04-2011, 01:46 PM | #450 |
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EJ, who do you think is better than Alabama and LSU? You talk about not having a dog in the hunt,
but you clearly stated in your analysis that all this talk about them being the two best teams in the USA is crap. With no SEC bias from me outside the fact that I pull for LSU, I think it is fairly clear that the two best teams in the USA are bama and LSU. You are right in saying "that's why they play the games" because there has been nothing but top dogs falling all season long. But I am not sure what you are thinking. You call my statements arrogant, but to me it seems that your reasoning is that I think I know it all, or that I think that LSU and bama are the best there are. Is it going to take LSU ripping OK state apart to prove to you that they are dominant? Because as you know, bama is not going to be allowed to play OK state or USC or Stanford for the Nat. Champ. It's LSU and somebody. But if you put LSU and bama head to head for it all, you are going to see two great teams once again basically tie. What I guess you want, and I find reasonable, is both "top teams" playing a non-SEC powerhouse in two bowls and removing their organs. Basically two national championship games. I AM a SEC fan, no doubt, but that's not why I think the way I do. I have looked EVERYWHERE for a team that I thought could go for 60 minutes with either one of the two SEC dominators and come out on top, and I do not think such a team exists. Again, I would hate to see LSU-bama in the end. It's not fair to LSU or the rest of the NCAA. But GET a dog in the hunt, WHO do you think can beat either one? And USC is not eligible, not from what I think but for what they got caught doing, so let's not go there...no hypotheticals. |
12-04-2011, 01:49 PM | #451 |
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Brad, to me that read "If the voters want a real football game, looking at this with their eyes wide open, it is a no brainer, LSU vs Alabama. If the voters want to appease fans of other conferences, squinting into thinking there is a team as good as either Alabama or LSU. Maybe giving some backlash to the "SEC, SEC, SEC" group think, then maybe they'll vote someone else gets in."
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I don't bring in the PAC12 because Stanford didn't win it and Oregon already lost to LSU... I will also not bring into the discussion 2 loss teams, if everyone was 2 loss, but 'Bama....a rematch would be okay. Things I do know. I know Alabama had their shot, at home, and lost...and IMO, with other deserving teams(I think OSU is one), they should not get a do-over. The regular season is the playoff we have in football. Again, I think LSU is the cream of the crop and I don't think anyone will beat them....but they have to play the game and someone else should be given the chance. Am late to go herf.....but have more thoughts..... |
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12-04-2011, 02:45 PM | #453 |
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YOU are arrogant sir!!! You know how I know?? I agree with everything you say, lol.
I want to see LSU-OK St. in the Champ. and Alabama vs Boise/Stanford in some other bowl. At the risk of acting like I am teaching people football/BCS, I will say that I know this because in the end, it's all about the money. Fox would step in and say "Hold it, you give us LSU and Bama in two DIFFERENT games and I will show you two blockbuster ratings creators. Without that, ehh, who knows what people will watch." What you want to do with the results (co-champs etc) is up to you. FOLLOW THE MONEY this time around, boys.. |
12-04-2011, 06:50 PM | #457 |
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I'm excited
I guess the only way to have an SEC team lose in the national title game is to have two of 'em play each other
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I have to disagree strongly with what the OkSt coach said about what the fans want to see. He said something to the tune that the fans want to see a 36-35 National championship game, not a 6-3 game. If Oklahoma State played LSU in the game, it would be a 45-3 game (LSU winning), not a 36-35 game!!! What was he thinking about!!
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