Official SEC Football Thread 2011 - Page 24

E.J. · 12-04-2011, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SvilleKid

And now, the Big 10 doesn't have to worry about looking like weaklings in another national championship game against the SEC!!

I have to disagree strongly with what the OkSt coach said about what the fans want to see. He said something to the tune that the fans want to see a 36-35 National championship game, not a 6-3 game. If Oklahoma State played LSU in the game, it would be a 45-3 game (LSU winning), not a 36-35 game!!! What was he thinking about!!

The Big10 was never considered as far as a BCS Championship Game participant.....

See....SEC...SEC...SEC.....

SvilleKid · 12-04-2011, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by E.J.

The Big10 was never considered as far as a BCS Championship Game participant.....

See....SEC...SEC...SEC.....

I know that.... Duh... But the point is made as stated!!! It could also apply to the OkSt, but the Big Ten was in that situation several times in the past several years. Which WAS the point.

E.J. · 12-04-2011, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SvilleKid

I know that.... Duh... But the point is made as stated!!! It could also apply to the OkSt, but the Big Ten was in that situation several times in the past several years. Which WAS the point.

So you were just bringing up 2007(Jan 2008)....4 years ago, the last time it was relevant?????

SEC....SEC....SEC....

ninjavanish · 12-04-2011, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by E.J.

So you were just bringing up 2007(Jan 2008)....4 years ago, the last time it was relevant?????

SEC....SEC....SEC....

I think the point is that the Big Ten is irrelevant.

E.J. · 12-04-2011, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ninjavanish

I think the point is that the Big Ten is irrelevant.

I can agree with that.... Though I honestly believe that Urban Meyer will change that quickly, to my dismay....

ninjavanish · 12-04-2011, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by E.J.

I can agree with that.... Though I honestly believe that Urban Meyer will change that quickly, to my dismay....

Well, I think that may be a good thing for the NCAA as a whole... assuming he is successful.

The thing to take away from today's selection is that there's obviously a struggle for all other conferences to have relevancy against the dominance of the SEC lately. (And to all of you nay-sayers, it doesn't matter at this point, the chips have fallen and make no mistake, there WILL BE a national champion from the SEC this season)

So for those who want to see more than one conference playing for the title... having someone like Urban Meyer go into the Big Ten is not a bad thing. However, I think there are plenty of great coaches outside the SEC. For the SEC, it's a chance to prove (or further prove) that it's perhaps not the coaches that make the difference, but our culture.

E.J. · 12-04-2011, 09:20 PM

Christ, you SEC, SEC, SEC guys act like you have had a grip hold on College football for decades....

You're on a Hell or a roll, no doubt. But your arrogance over a little roll is amusing at best and irritating at worst....

Tides will turn, they always do.... Enjoy it.

ninjavanish · 12-04-2011, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by E.J.

Christ, you SEC, SEC, SEC guys act like you have had a grip hold on College football for decades....

You're on a Hell or a roll, no doubt. But your arrogance over a little roll is amusing at best and irritating at worst....

Tides will turn, they always do.... Enjoy it.

Simply stating that the SEC has had a dominant role in the NCAA for the past few years makes me neither arrogant, or incorrect.

E.J. · 12-04-2011, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ninjavanish

Simply stating that the SEC has had a dominant role in the NCAA for the past few years makes me neither arrogant, or incorrect.

Okay...yes, I can see how all other conferences having relevance or even trying to compete, well....there should probably be the SEC....SEC....SEC....and then D2.....

ninjavanish · 12-04-2011, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by E.J.

Okay...yes, I can see how all other conferences having relevance or even trying to compete, well....there should probably be the SEC....SEC....SEC....and then D2.....

Not sure I'm following you here, what are you trying to say?

SvilleKid · 12-05-2011, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by E.J.

So you were just bringing up 2007(Jan 2008)....4 years ago, the last time it was relevant?????

SEC....SEC....SEC....

Bye bye! Already have one ignored one on this thread. Let's just make it two. Don't argue with him, Ninja. He is just like Another here in that he wants to argue just to argue. Not worth the trouble. Arguing just to be arguing.

OLS · 12-05-2011, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by E.J.

So you were just bringing up 2007(Jan 2008)....4 years ago, the last time it was relevant?????

Just ignore him. He hasn't been rational for weeks. He only has new life now on the news that his team
is up for another butt-whippin in a month. It really is hilarious to watch. They don't recognize themselves
in the mirror. They ignore me and call me irrational because I cheer for the Purple and Gold and believed
them to be the best team in the country from week 1. Now in week 14, when no one in the country can
argue, they simply choose to tune it all out..lalala, lalala. 2nd place in the country just isn't good enough
when they are behind the cretins of LSU. Now for a month it's going to be "oh, you'll see, you guys escaped
with a narrow victory but WE were really the best team." Then they come into New Orleans and get it AGAIN.
MUCH longer ride home for contemplation this second time, boys.

But like I said, a mirror. Fan is abbreviation for fanatic. You folks are no better or worse than me. So for
the one that speaks in code, it has to be about character of the players. ONE character-istic we have that
will show itself is skillz.

OLS · 12-05-2011, 06:54 AM

What's worst about the post above is how he characterizes arguing here. NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE BCS
has there been as much to argue about, plenty of opportunity for lively discussion and good-natured ribbing. But again,
it's lalala, lalala, I can't hear you. They feel preyed upon by me because I argue and contest, it's SO completely
weak. If this was the other way around, it would likely be different. They would be contesting points and making
their arguments. It's like it's ONLY fun one way for them. Weak. Greg Longknocker at least plays along. But they
turn the best cigar forum in the world into what would appear to be every other forum on the net by their lack of any
sense of what is good-natured ribbing and what is not. I get worked up about it too, but I don't pick up my ball
and go home and pout. When this was LSU and FLA, they all played along and had "fun". What is it about
this one group in particular? Is it the start of the season and your own belief that THIS was going to be the year
for the Tide? Did Auburn's championship wound in some way that has set you against the world so firmly. I know,
you say no, it's just LSU (fans) we hate, and you are a perfect example. BS. That's how you COVER IT up. But
that's not IT. Weak. Of course one or more of them won't see this, cause they ignore me. It's college sports,
get over it. That's what this thread is FOR, arguing, discussing, bantering, joshing, betting......weak.

OLS · 12-05-2011, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by E.J.

Okay...yes, I can see how all other conferences having relevance or even trying to compete, well....there should probably be the SEC....SEC....SEC....and then D2.....

I understand your point, fine, EJ, but I would say one thing from the heart, though, and the word 'compete'
is where I differ with you. The Cowboys can't 'compete' with LSU in the strictest sense of the word,
it's just a foregone drubbing, in my SEC-minded opinion. But I 'argued' long and hard here that they
deserved the right to HAVE their a$$ whipped in public due to their valorous effort against Oklahoma
and the fact that everything but the ethereal computer formulae showed they were a better alternative
than a rematch of two teams likely to bore the US to death on championship night. I AM A HOMER, so you
can argue that the Cowboys might well win in NO, but now we will never get to know. EVEN MY valid argument
that the better option would have been for the two "top" teams to play a 3 and a 4 would have made MUCH
better television can't save us from the system we have in place and the game we will be forced to watch.
But I don't think Standord, OK St, Houston, Southern Miss, Boise St..none of em could beat LSU or Bama.
But it'd be nice to give them the shot I think they deserve. And WTF happened with Boise St???
Las Vegas Bowl???? weak.

E.J. · 12-05-2011, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SvilleKid

Bye bye! Already have one ignored one on this thread. Let's just make it two. Don't argue with him, Ninja. He is just like Another here in that he wants to argue just to argue. Not worth the trouble. Arguing just to be arguing.

So that is how it works.....

Personally, I thought I came in here with some good discussion, some numbers to back up my point/thoughts ect.... If I appear to be arguing just to argue, that was not the intent. Admittedly, the response to you had no point, other than to point out you were talking rubbish. What, you've brought up "the BIG10" and then "asking others not to play with the guy that doesn't think like you do....that will make him go away" Honestly, from what I have seen from you so far, it may be best if you did just ignore me.... It seems pretty clear that you'd probably be out of your league....so to speak....

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Originally Posted by ninjavanish

The thing to take away from today's selection is that there's obviously a struggle for all other conferences to have relevancy against the dominance of the SEC lately. (And to all of you nay-sayers, it doesn't matter at this point, the chips have fallen and make no mistake, there WILL BE a national champion from the SEC this season)

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Originally Posted by E.J.

Okay...yes, I can see how all other conferences having relevance or even trying to compete, well....there should probably be the SEC....SEC....SEC....and then D2.....

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Originally Posted by ninjavanish

Not sure I'm following you here, what are you trying to say?

The highlighted in red was what I was responding to.

E.J. · 12-05-2011, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by OLS

I understand your point, fine, EJ, but I would say one thing from the heart, though, and the word 'compete'
is where I differ with you. The Cowboys can't 'compete' with LSU in the strictest sense of the word,
it's just a foregone drubbing, in my SEC-minded opinion. But I 'argued' long and hard here that they
deserved the right to HAVE their a$$ whipped in public due to their valorous effort against Oklahoma
and the fact that everything but the ethereal computer formulae showed they were a better alternative
than a rematch of two teams likely to bore the US to death on championship night. I AM A HOMER, so you
can argue that the Cowboys might well win in NO, but now we will never get to know. EVEN MY valid argument
that the better option would have been for the two "top" teams to play a 3 and a 4 would have made MUCH
better television can't save us from the system we have in place and the game we will be forced to watch.
But I don't think Standord, OK St, Houston, Southern Miss, Boise St..none of em could beat LSU or Bama.
But it'd be nice to give them the shot I think they deserve. And WTF happened with Boise St???
Las Vegas Bowl???? weak.

Brad,

I went to the BCS thread to play....we can continue over there, including my responding to this post. It is apparent that since I don't have the group think, my thoughts are not welcome here....

(If I could put into words how much amusement that brings me, it would lighten all your hearts)

rizzle · 12-05-2011, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by OLS

What's worst about the post above is how he characterizes arguing here. NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE BCS
has there been as much to argue about, plenty of opportunity for lively discussion and good-natured ribbing. But again,
it's lalala, lalala, I can't hear you. They feel preyed upon by me because I argue and contest, it's SO completely
weak. If this was the other way around, it would likely be different. They would be contesting points and making
their arguments. It's like it's ONLY fun one way for them. Weak. Greg Longknocker at least plays along. But they
turn the best cigar forum in the world into what would appear to be every other forum on the net by their lack of any
sense of what is good-natured ribbing and what is not. I get worked up about it too, but I don't pick up my ball
and go home and pout. When this was LSU and FLA, they all played along and had "fun". What is it about
this one group in particular? Is it the start of the season and your own belief that THIS was going to be the year
for the Tide? Did Auburn's championship wound in some way that has set you against the world so firmly. I know,
you say no, it's just LSU (fans) we hate, and you are a perfect example. BS. That's how you COVER IT up. But
that's not IT. Weak. Of course one or more of them won't see this, cause they ignore me. It's college sports,
get over it. That's what this thread is FOR, arguing, discussing, bantering, joshing, betting......weak.

Is they, me?

ninjavanish · 12-05-2011, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by E.J.

The highlighted in red was what I was responding to.

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The thing to take away from today's selection is that there's obviously a struggle for all other conferences to have relevancy against the dominance of the SEC lately.

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Originally Posted by E.J.

Okay...yes, I can see how all other conferences having relevance or even trying to compete, well....there should probably be the SEC....SEC....SEC....and then D2.....

I understand what your response was in regards to. It's the content of your reply that I'm not following you on. Is it to refute the dominance of the SEC in recent years? Or are you saying that all other conferences should be relegated to playing in Division II? That's where I'm confused.

SvilleKid · 12-05-2011, 07:46 PM

Jeremy..... As we discussed, I went back and did a little research. In the weeks that they played.... Per Coach's poll: Both Bama and Oklahoma State played 4 Top-25 ranked teams each. Alabama played against 20, 12, 12 and # 1 ranked teams. Ok St played a 8, 21, 12 and 11. These were using the Coaches poll placement at the start of each game.

So, AT THE TIME of each game, both Bama and Ok St each played four top 25 ranked teams. And Ok St only played the fourth ranked team because of their conference championship game.

Bama lost to undefeated No. 1 ranked LSU at the time of the loss. Ok St lost to un-ranked Iowa State, who had a record of 5-4 going into the game. Just thought you'd find the data interesting, and sets record straight as to how many "ranked" teams each of these two played.

ninjavanish · 12-05-2011, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SvilleKid

Jeremy..... As we discussed, I went back and did a little research. In the weeks that they played.... Per Coach's poll: Both Bama and Oklahoma State played 4 Top-25 ranked teams each. Alabama played against 20, 12, 12 and # 1 ranked teams. Ok St played a 8, 21, 12 and 11. These were using the Coaches poll placement at the start of each game.

So, AT THE TIME of each game, both Bama and Ok St each played four top 25 ranked teams. And Ok St only played the fourth ranked team because of their conference championship game.

Bama lost to undefeated No. 1 ranked LSU at the time of the loss. Ok St lost to un-ranked Iowa State, who had a record of 5-4 going into the game. Just thought you'd find the data interesting, and sets record straight as to how many "ranked" teams each of these two played.

Doesn't matter too much either way.

This whole BCS argument that's been raging here spurs a very old memory of mine:

When I was a kid, like 6-7 years old, I did not like even the thought of getting shots/immunizations. I would kick and scream and pitch a holy fit. But you know what happened in the end? Big people held me down and I got the shot anyway. Just saying... seems relevant here.

12-04-2011, 09:20 PM	#467
E.J. I'm nuts for the place Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,218 Trading: (21)	Re: Official SEC Football Thread 2011 Christ, you SEC, SEC, SEC guys act like you have had a grip hold on College football for decades.... You're on a Hell or a roll, no doubt. But your arrogance over a little roll is amusing at best and irritating at worst.... Tides will turn, they always do.... Enjoy it.

12-05-2011, 06:54 AM	#473
OLS Suck It Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Brad Location: TN Posts: 7,912 Trading: (19)	Re: Official SEC Football Thread 2011 What's worst about the post above is how he characterizes arguing here. NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE BCS has there been as much to argue about, plenty of opportunity for lively discussion and good-natured ribbing. But again, it's lalala, lalala, I can't hear you. They feel preyed upon by me because I argue and contest, it's SO completely weak. If this was the other way around, it would likely be different. They would be contesting points and making their arguments. It's like it's ONLY fun one way for them. Weak. Greg Longknocker at least plays along. But they turn the best cigar forum in the world into what would appear to be every other forum on the net by their lack of any sense of what is good-natured ribbing and what is not. I get worked up about it too, but I don't pick up my ball and go home and pout. When this was LSU and FLA, they all played along and had "fun". What is it about this one group in particular? Is it the start of the season and your own belief that THIS was going to be the year for the Tide? Did Auburn's championship wound in some way that has set you against the world so firmly. I know, you say no, it's just LSU (fans) we hate, and you are a perfect example. BS. That's how you COVER IT up. But that's not IT. Weak. Of course one or more of them won't see this, cause they ignore me. It's college sports, get over it. That's what this thread is FOR, arguing, discussing, bantering, joshing, betting......weak.

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SvilleKid Yes I am a Pirate Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 33°46′08″N 86°28′16″W / 33.76895°N 86.471037°W Posts: 2,776 Trading: (52)	Re: Official SEC Football Thread 2011 Jeremy..... As we discussed, I went back and did a little research. In the weeks that they played.... Per Coach's poll: Both Bama and Oklahoma State played 4 Top-25 ranked teams each. Alabama played against 20, 12, 12 and # 1 ranked teams. Ok St played a 8, 21, 12 and 11. These were using the Coaches poll placement at the start of each game. So, AT THE TIME of each game, both Bama and Ok St each played four top 25 ranked teams. And Ok St only played the fourth ranked team because of their conference championship game. Bama lost to undefeated No. 1 ranked LSU at the time of the loss. Ok St lost to un-ranked Iowa State, who had a record of 5-4 going into the game. Just thought you'd find the data interesting, and sets record straight as to how many "ranked" teams each of these two played. __________________ Ceilin' fan it stirs the air, Cigar smoke does swirl. The fragrance on the pillow case, and he thinks about the girl. Thanks, JB, 1975.