LOST Notes - Page 6

ucla695 · 03-05-2009, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mugen910

Can I say that Sawyer is my hero? First Kate...then Juliet...

He da man!!

ActionAndy · 03-06-2009, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by white_s2k

Does anyone know the significance (if there is one) of Sawyer using the name "La Fleur" when questioned by Horace? The episode was named La Fleur and I keep hearing talk on other forums about it relating to something important from past episode but I can't think of anything?

Oh and damnit Bao.. I need my Lost Notes fix!!!!!!!

I ckecked it out on lostpedia and it doesn't seem to have any significance other than being a common creole name. There's a lot of interesting chatter about the statue however. From the back it looks a lot like statues of tawaret, an egyptian god. (I'm taking this image from another site).

ucla695 · 03-06-2009, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ActionAndy

I ckecked it out on lostpedia and it doesn't seem to have any significance other than being a common creole name. There's a lot of interesting chatter about the statue however. From the back it looks a lot like statues of tawaret, an egyptian god. (I'm taking this image from another site).

Interesting information. I wonder if the statue was damaged in the 'war.' It'll also be interesting to learn about the history of pregnancies on the island. Have Darma peeps been able to conceive and deliver healthy babies there? I tend to think the baby boy was conceived off the island. Maybe that's why they built the statue....to help with the problem and appease the gods. Who knows. Anyway, more food for thought.

Mugen910 · 03-06-2009, 11:06 AM

Lost 5 - episode 8 "Lafleur"

1. Finally, what we've all been waiting for.... Sawyer washed his hair! This was a great character development episode...I guess we needed a mental break from all the heavy science fiction stuff. See attached screenshot... for the ladies.

2. Sawyer has always been in the front-running for the most transformed characters on the show (along with Locke). Remember how the Island cured Rose's cancer and allowed Locke to flourish physically and spiritually; and remember Locke, Jack and all the Oceanic 6 basically disintegrated as people the longer they spent away from the Island. ''This place is death?" Well, sometimes. But other times, this place can be life - but it requires peace of character and being locked into your intended destiny. And right now, Sawyer is groovin'...

3. So... the big question.... who does Horace's baby turn out to be? A boy born in 1977... we never got his name. It can't be Locke or Ben. They aren't the right age plus we saw their births in the real world. Could be Jacob... after all, when Locke had a vision about Horace, Horace was building a cabin for him and his wife. Then again, Richard knew about Jacob in 1954. The boy would be about 27 when flight 815 crashes in 2004.

4. The Dharma/ Others Truce: Why would Others kill Paul and try to kidnap Amy? Did Amy and Paul venture into Other territory that was supposed to be off limits? Remember when Tom and the Others surrounded Jack and the Losties and threatened something like "this is our island, stay away from this side of it" or something like that? Or, is the truce only "you don't kill us, we don't kill you?" I believe, at this time on the island, we can assume that the Others are currently under Widmore's reign of power (Widmore's words to Locke last week about ruling peacefully and for such a long period of time... 3 decades to be exact).

5. Why did Charlotte's body disappear when she died? Perhaps she really isn't dead... now. Maybe in this new 1974, Faraday doesn't tell her not to come back here (which sparked her life long search for this mythical place she remembered). Then again, Faraday keeps telling us "What happened happened" so he shouldn't have been able to change that. Another theory is that once the group landed in 1974, Charlotte's body disappeared because a person cannot exist in two places at the same time -- dead or alive.

6. Horace Goodspeed recap: We know from the season 3 episode ''The Man Behind The Curtain'' that Horace Goodspeed and a woman named Olivia aided Roger Linus during Ben's unexpected birth in the woods. (So many premies on the show. That can't be a coincidence.) We also know Roger and Ben migrated to the Island at the invitation of the Goodspeeds when Ben was a boy. So, where is Olivia? Did she not enter the picture until the late 1970's when Ben comes to the island? Perhaps Horace and Amy split by then? Oh, and Olivia was Ben's teacher when he was a Dharma student. See attached Olivia screencap.

7. Speaking of Horace... Horus is a god of the Ancient Egyptian religion, most commonly knows by the Greek version Horus, of the Egyptian Heru/ Har. Horus was an ancient and important deity. More on ancient Egypt later. See attached image of Horus.

8. Note how 1974-1977 ON the island is similar to 2005-2008 OFF the island. Some distinct parallels: The Left Behinders' Dharma drama very much echoed the Oceanic 6's off-Island ordeal, complete with cover-up lie, a dead body to haul around, and a con man-turned-shepherd. (Ben = Sawyer here.)

9. Have you noticed how Season 5 of Lost resembles Season 2? Season 2 emphasized the Man of Science/ Man of Faith conflict and introduced us to the Dharma Initiative mythology. Season 5: Lots of faith/ reason; lots of Dharma. When you consider that Season 4 mirrored Season 3 (split group story lines; a climactic attack on the castaways; similar coffin/ ''We've got to go back'' cliffhanger), what you have is a saga that's doubling back on itself. What would that mean for season 6? How will it echo season 1? Something to think about.

10. The original Oceanic 815 flight.... did Jack and company FLASH off the flight like they flashed off the Ajira 316 flight last week? Some items to support this theory: The Losties have commented several times that they survived the Oceanic crash with just superficial injuries. In one earlier episode Sayid is talking to Kate and says there is no way they should have survived that 815 crash. Maybe it's because they flashed off of it!

11. Let's talk about ancient Egypt:

The statue: The island's large statue looked Egyptian. Skirt, but no shirt -probably male. Those appear to be ankhs in the hands - symbolic of life in general and eternal life, specifically (also shown on the necklace Amy took from Paul's neck). And on the head, two pointy ears and a rectangular headpiece. The island's statue is not Horus, as Horus had the head of a falcon. So, other possibilities...

Anubis: the Egyptian God of mummification and the afterlife. Over the course of time, Anubis became considered more the gatekeeper and ruler of the underworld, the "Guardian of the veil" (of "death"). Consequently, he was said to protect souls as they journeyed there, and thus be the patron of lost souls." See attached photo.

Taweret: the Egyptian Goddess of fertility, the protector of pregnancy and childbirth. In the episode "D.O.C" Juliet told Sun that the men were extra-fertile on the Island. While we cannot be sure whether or not the statue is still in its original form once the crew landed in 1974, we did see Juliet deliver a healthy baby 3 years afterward. Perhaps the moment the statue was destroyed and/ or crumbled was when the Island pregnancy problems began. Like Anubis, Taweret also carries an ankh. See attached photo.

Other Egyptian references: The hieroglyphics in The Hatch and on The Temple were Egyptian. Weren't ancient Egyptians fond of eyeliner? So, Is Richard Alpert Egyptian? Richard Alpert = RA (the sun god?). FUN FACT FROM NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC'S WEBSITE: ''Both men and women in ancient Egypt wore a sort of eyeliner. The paint was made of minerals mixed with water, ground on palettes, and kept in tubes. It was worn for adornment and perhaps also to reduce the sun's glare.'' I'm half kidding here as so many people have made fun of the fact that Richard appears to have on eyeliner.

12. No LOST next week.

Mugen910 · 03-06-2009, 11:07 AM

Mugen910 · 03-06-2009, 12:36 PM

>>> EDIT 3/6/2009 2:06 PM >>>
Yes, the Charlotte birth year thing seems to be an issue, but think about this:
The information Ben rattled off about Ms. Lewis in "Confirmed Dead" was incorrect. She's clearly well into toddler stage by 1974, so obviously she was not born in 1979 as Ben stated last season. This may just mean that Charlotte lied and/or Abaddon purposefully changed her background information in whatever file Michael read on the freighter -- which he then passed to Ben.

It's just one of three things: 1. Ben lied about Charlotte's birth year, 2. The information that Ben got was wrong, or 3. It was not Charlotte.

>>> Notes >>>
#11. I'm going with Taweret. See attached pics. Similarities to the Island Statue: The ears are short, the hair or head dress is long, the square-ish headpiece, not to mention that it just makes sense! Taweret is the protector of women during pregnancy and childbirth!! Sometimes carrying the ankh (eternal life) in one hand and the sa (symbol of protection) in the other. And one other thing that's different in each picture I look at, but most of them depict Taweret with only 4 toes.

#5. Taken from a website
"Daniel Faraday sees a young red-haired girl at the Dharma Initiative camp in 1974 whom he believes is Charlotte Staples Lewis. However, Ben, when reciting her biography ("Confirmed Dead") stated she was born July 2, 1979, approximately 5 years too late to be Charlotte if Ben's information from Michael was correct (a birthdate of 1969 would be closer if this girl is indeed a young Charlotte). It remains possible, however, that the girl was not Charlotte, and Daniel was mistaken due to his grief."

Only time will tell! Have a nice weekend, everyone!

Cigargal · 03-08-2009, 12:23 PM

The Man Behind the Curtain. Ben is 11 yrs old when he comes to the island. I am not sure how old he is when the Oceanic flight crashes on the island, but my guess is that he and his dad Roger arrived on the island in the early 70's.

Also, Hurley, Jack and Kate meet up with Dharma, Locke and Ben are with the survivors of the plane crash...where is Sun and Sayid?

Mugen910 · 03-10-2009, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cigargal

The Man Behind the Curtain. Ben is 11 yrs old when he comes to the island. I am not sure how old he is when the Oceanic flight crashes on the island, but my guess is that he and his dad Roger arrived on the island in the early 70's.

Also, Hurley, Jack and Kate meet up with Dharma, Locke and Ben are with the survivors of the plane crash...where is Sun and Sayid?

patience my dear...I'm sure we'll find out soon..I cannot recall if they have shown them either.

The new survivors told Locke that a woman (Sun?) and the pilot (Lepidis) took off with a boat and the manifest...I wonder if they took Sayid too?

Cigargal · 03-10-2009, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mugen910

patience my dear...I'm sure we'll find out soon..I cannot recall if they have shown them either.

The new survivors told Locke that a woman (Sun?) and the pilot (Lepidis) took off with a boat and the manifest...I wonder if they took Sayid too?

I forgot about the boat...John was standing on the beach looking at an island-he is on the smaller island then.

ucla695 · 03-06-2009, 12:53 PM

More great notes. Man, I'm going to have to watch the whole series again to catch a part of what has been happening. Kinda like drinking from a fire hose.

Mugen910 · 03-06-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ucla695

More great notes. Man, I'm going to have to watch the whole series again to catch a part of what has been happening. Kinda like drinking from a fire hose.

I don't get this analogy.

ucla695 · 03-06-2009, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mugen910

I don't get this analogy.

Just saying that there's so much parallelism, symbolism (all sorts of isms

) etc that it's impossible to take it all in. Thanks why the notes help so much!

Mugen910 · 03-06-2009, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ucla695

Just saying that there's so much parallelism, symbolism (all sorts of isms

) etc that it's impossible to take it all in.

ah...thanks...never heard the fire hose thing before.

ucla695 · 03-06-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mugen910

ah...thanks...never heard the fire hose thing before.

Gotcha. You should try it some time. It's fun. See.......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXc5ltzKq3Y

03-06-2009, 10:04 PM

Great job, once again, Bao!!

It's going to be a LONG two weeks.
I've never been so involved, engrossed and obsessed in a TV program in all my years. This has got to be one of the most complicated, yet, extremely well written shows every produced IMHO.
I'm going out to have a cigar and reflect on the "notes".
Keep up the good work, Bao!!

Cigargal · 03-06-2009, 10:21 PM

So our losties have been part of the Dharma inititive for 3 yrs but where is young Ben Linus? He came to the island when he was about 10? And how old is he in 2007? What was the name of the episode about Ben's early years?

dannysguitar · 03-19-2009, 01:40 PM

So, what are your thoughts on last night's episode!?!?!?

Mugen910 · 03-19-2009, 02:06 PM

I liked it but for some reason didn't love it..

dannysguitar · 03-20-2009, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mugen910

I liked it but for some reason didn't love it..

Yeah, I feel the same way. Maybe it didn't explain enough. Can't wait for next week. That one looks like a doosy!

kaisersozei · 03-20-2009, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Mugen910

I liked it but for some reason didn't love it..

Don't know about you guys, but I love any episode that has both Kate & Juliet.

03-06-2009, 11:06 AM	#4
Mugen910 I <3 Huy Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Location Location: First Name Posts: 8,387 Trading: (106)	Re: LOST Notes Lost 5 - episode 8 "Lafleur" 1. Finally, what we've all been waiting for.... Sawyer washed his hair! This was a great character development episode...I guess we needed a mental break from all the heavy science fiction stuff. See attached screenshot... for the ladies. 2. Sawyer has always been in the front-running for the most transformed characters on the show (along with Locke). Remember how the Island cured Rose's cancer and allowed Locke to flourish physically and spiritually; and remember Locke, Jack and all the Oceanic 6 basically disintegrated as people the longer they spent away from the Island. ''This place is death?" Well, sometimes. But other times, this place can be life - but it requires peace of character and being locked into your intended destiny. And right now, Sawyer is groovin'... 3. So... the big question.... who does Horace's baby turn out to be? A boy born in 1977... we never got his name. It can't be Locke or Ben. They aren't the right age plus we saw their births in the real world. Could be Jacob... after all, when Locke had a vision about Horace, Horace was building a cabin for him and his wife. Then again, Richard knew about Jacob in 1954. The boy would be about 27 when flight 815 crashes in 2004. 4. The Dharma/ Others Truce: Why would Others kill Paul and try to kidnap Amy? Did Amy and Paul venture into Other territory that was supposed to be off limits? Remember when Tom and the Others surrounded Jack and the Losties and threatened something like "this is our island, stay away from this side of it" or something like that? Or, is the truce only "you don't kill us, we don't kill you?" I believe, at this time on the island, we can assume that the Others are currently under Widmore's reign of power (Widmore's words to Locke last week about ruling peacefully and for such a long period of time... 3 decades to be exact). 5. Why did Charlotte's body disappear when she died? Perhaps she really isn't dead... now. Maybe in this new 1974, Faraday doesn't tell her not to come back here (which sparked her life long search for this mythical place she remembered). Then again, Faraday keeps telling us "What happened happened" so he shouldn't have been able to change that. Another theory is that once the group landed in 1974, Charlotte's body disappeared because a person cannot exist in two places at the same time -- dead or alive. 6. Horace Goodspeed recap: We know from the season 3 episode ''The Man Behind The Curtain'' that Horace Goodspeed and a woman named Olivia aided Roger Linus during Ben's unexpected birth in the woods. (So many premies on the show. That can't be a coincidence.) We also know Roger and Ben migrated to the Island at the invitation of the Goodspeeds when Ben was a boy. So, where is Olivia? Did she not enter the picture until the late 1970's when Ben comes to the island? Perhaps Horace and Amy split by then? Oh, and Olivia was Ben's teacher when he was a Dharma student. See attached Olivia screencap. 7. Speaking of Horace... Horus is a god of the Ancient Egyptian religion, most commonly knows by the Greek version Horus, of the Egyptian Heru/ Har. Horus was an ancient and important deity. More on ancient Egypt later. See attached image of Horus. 8. Note how 1974-1977 ON the island is similar to 2005-2008 OFF the island. Some distinct parallels: The Left Behinders' Dharma drama very much echoed the Oceanic 6's off-Island ordeal, complete with cover-up lie, a dead body to haul around, and a con man-turned-shepherd. (Ben = Sawyer here.) 9. Have you noticed how Season 5 of Lost resembles Season 2? Season 2 emphasized the Man of Science/ Man of Faith conflict and introduced us to the Dharma Initiative mythology. Season 5: Lots of faith/ reason; lots of Dharma. When you consider that Season 4 mirrored Season 3 (split group story lines; a climactic attack on the castaways; similar coffin/ ''We've got to go back'' cliffhanger), what you have is a saga that's doubling back on itself. What would that mean for season 6? How will it echo season 1? Something to think about. 10. The original Oceanic 815 flight.... did Jack and company FLASH off the flight like they flashed off the Ajira 316 flight last week? Some items to support this theory: The Losties have commented several times that they survived the Oceanic crash with just superficial injuries. In one earlier episode Sayid is talking to Kate and says there is no way they should have survived that 815 crash. Maybe it's because they flashed off of it! 11. Let's talk about ancient Egypt: The statue: The island's large statue looked Egyptian. Skirt, but no shirt -probably male. Those appear to be ankhs in the hands - symbolic of life in general and eternal life, specifically (also shown on the necklace Amy took from Paul's neck). And on the head, two pointy ears and a rectangular headpiece. The island's statue is not Horus, as Horus had the head of a falcon. So, other possibilities... Anubis: the Egyptian God of mummification and the afterlife. Over the course of time, Anubis became considered more the gatekeeper and ruler of the underworld, the "Guardian of the veil" (of "death"). Consequently, he was said to protect souls as they journeyed there, and thus be the patron of lost souls." See attached photo. Taweret: the Egyptian Goddess of fertility, the protector of pregnancy and childbirth. In the episode "D.O.C" Juliet told Sun that the men were extra-fertile on the Island. While we cannot be sure whether or not the statue is still in its original form once the crew landed in 1974, we did see Juliet deliver a healthy baby 3 years afterward. Perhaps the moment the statue was destroyed and/ or crumbled was when the Island pregnancy problems began. Like Anubis, Taweret also carries an ankh. See attached photo. Other Egyptian references: The hieroglyphics in The Hatch and on The Temple were Egyptian. Weren't ancient Egyptians fond of eyeliner? So, Is Richard Alpert Egyptian? Richard Alpert = RA (the sun god?). FUN FACT FROM NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC'S WEBSITE: ''Both men and women in ancient Egypt wore a sort of eyeliner. The paint was made of minerals mixed with water, ground on palettes, and kept in tubes. It was worn for adornment and perhaps also to reduce the sun's glare.'' I'm half kidding here as so many people have made fun of the fact that Richard appears to have on eyeliner. 12. No LOST next week. __________________ I'm not antisocial, I just think people are stupid.

03-06-2009, 12:36 PM	#6
Mugen910 I <3 Huy Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Location Location: First Name Posts: 8,387 Trading: (106)	Re: LOST Notes >>> EDIT 3/6/2009 2:06 PM >>> Yes, the Charlotte birth year thing seems to be an issue, but think about this: The information Ben rattled off about Ms. Lewis in "Confirmed Dead" was incorrect. She's clearly well into toddler stage by 1974, so obviously she was not born in 1979 as Ben stated last season. This may just mean that Charlotte lied and/or Abaddon purposefully changed her background information in whatever file Michael read on the freighter -- which he then passed to Ben. It's just one of three things: 1. Ben lied about Charlotte's birth year, 2. The information that Ben got was wrong, or 3. It was not Charlotte. >>> Notes >>> #11. I'm going with Taweret. See attached pics. Similarities to the Island Statue: The ears are short, the hair or head dress is long, the square-ish headpiece, not to mention that it just makes sense! Taweret is the protector of women during pregnancy and childbirth!! Sometimes carrying the ankh (eternal life) in one hand and the sa (symbol of protection) in the other. And one other thing that's different in each picture I look at, but most of them depict Taweret with only 4 toes. #5. Taken from a website "Daniel Faraday sees a young red-haired girl at the Dharma Initiative camp in 1974 whom he believes is Charlotte Staples Lewis. However, Ben, when reciting her biography ("Confirmed Dead") stated she was born July 2, 1979, approximately 5 years too late to be Charlotte if Ben's information from Michael was correct (a birthdate of 1969 would be closer if this girl is indeed a young Charlotte). It remains possible, however, that the girl was not Charlotte, and Daniel was mistaken due to his grief." Only time will tell! Have a nice weekend, everyone! __________________ I'm not antisocial, I just think people are stupid.

03-08-2009, 12:23 PM	#7
Cigargal Waiting for SoCal XI Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Northern California Posts: 1,472 Trading: (25)	Re: LOST Notes The Man Behind the Curtain. Ben is 11 yrs old when he comes to the island. I am not sure how old he is when the Oceanic flight crashes on the island, but my guess is that he and his dad Roger arrived on the island in the early 70's. Also, Hurley, Jack and Kate meet up with Dharma, Locke and Ben are with the survivors of the plane crash...where is Sun and Sayid?

03-06-2009, 12:53 PM	#10
ucla695 Neither here, nor there Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The Pool Posts: 3,696 Trading: (5)	Re: LOST Notes More great notes. Man, I'm going to have to watch the whole series again to catch a part of what has been happening. Kinda like drinking from a fire hose.

03-06-2009, 10:04 PM	#15
Waynegro1 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: LOST Notes Great job, once again, Bao!! It's going to be a LONG two weeks. I've never been so involved, engrossed and obsessed in a TV program in all my years. This has got to be one of the most complicated, yet, extremely well written shows every produced IMHO. I'm going out to have a cigar and reflect on the "notes". Keep up the good work, Bao!!

03-06-2009, 11:07 AM	#5
Mugen910 I <3 Huy Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Location Location: First Name Posts: 8,387 Trading: (106)	Re: LOST Notes __________________ I'm not antisocial, I just think people are stupid.

03-06-2009, 10:21 PM	#16
Cigargal Waiting for SoCal XI Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Northern California Posts: 1,472 Trading: (25)	Re: LOST Notes So our losties have been part of the Dharma inititive for 3 yrs but where is young Ben Linus? He came to the island when he was about 10? And how old is he in 2007? What was the name of the episode about Ben's early years?

03-19-2009, 01:40 PM	#17
dannysguitar Feeling at Home Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Danny Location: SoCal Posts: 734 Trading: (36)	Re: LOST Notes So, what are your thoughts on last night's episode!?!?!? __________________ Proud Member of Team Death! aka PBC *Follow Me on Twitter*

03-19-2009, 02:06 PM	#18
Mugen910 I <3 Huy Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Location Location: First Name Posts: 8,387 Trading: (106)	Re: LOST Notes I liked it but for some reason didn't love it.. __________________ I'm not antisocial, I just think people are stupid.