Official MMA Thread - Page 68

goalie204 · 06-29-2010, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ActionAndy

I'm glad I'm not alone on the Dos Santos train.

And goalie you can't refer to Fedor as the "so-called" best fighter in the world until you can name me another fighter with a thirty fight win streak.

That's like saying brittney spears or ke$ha are the best singers because they're so talented.

Look at a lot of fedors last wins..brett rogers..andrei arlovski...tim sylvia...matt lindland...mark coleman...crocop... he fought a few really good fighters and won, but most of his wins have been over cans. Sorry, but i've always said and maintain, fedor is overrated.

wayner123 · 06-29-2010, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by goalie204

That's like saying brittney spears or ke$ha are the best singers because they're so talented.

Look at a lot of fedors last wins..brett rogers..andrei arlovski...tim sylvia...matt lindland...mark coleman...crocop... he fought a few really good fighters and won, but most of his wins have been over cans. Sorry, but i've always said and maintain, fedor is overrated.

So which Champion or top MMA person, is not overrated in your opinion?

ActionAndy · 06-29-2010, 07:52 AM

The records of some of Fedor's opponents (at the time he fought them):

Cro-Cop was 16-2-2
Nog was 24-2-1
Coleman was 13-5 (first time)
Sylvia was 24-4
Arlovski was 15-5
Fujita was 9-2
Lindland 19-4

What a bunch of bums!

goalie204 · 06-29-2010, 11:41 AM

From a post, which i kind of agree with:

Ricardo Arona by decision--->fedor was on top of him most of the match. He won the decision because Fedor was on top of him..SHOULDA been a DRAW!!

Renato BABALU Sobral by decision----->again, fedor was on top of babalu, that is how he won the decision.

Heath Herring by Cut--->a win on a cut really doesn't count as a real MMA win.

Antonio Rodgrigo Nogueira by decision--->all fedor did was stay on top of nog and kill the clock.

Kazayuki Fujita by choke---->I gotta admit that fedor won this match fair and square. However, Fujita isn't a top 10 heavyweight at the time.

mark coleman by armbar--->im pretty sure, defeating a 41 year old man counts....

Antonio Rodgrigo Nogueaira 2 by decision--->fedor won because he stayed on top of NOG. Nog and fedor's standup game were similar.

Mirko Filipinovic By decision--->Fedor knows he cannot outstrike Mirko (at the time) , so he had to tackle him to the ground and Kill some clock. The refs like MMA fighters that stay on top, therefore fedor won.

Summary?!!

Fedor has beaten the top MMA fighters in Pride; however, he won through DECISION.

The only MMA fighters that wasn't cans that he defeated was-->a 41 year old mark coleman, kevin randleman, a non top 10 heavyweight kazayuki Fujita, and a 41 year old don fry.

EVERY other NON can MMA match, fedor WOn through decision.

Fedor--->overrated. He wins against top heavyweights through decision.. WHILE he Beat up on CANS, claiming he is the best.

Fedor is overrated. NUFF SAID.... Fedor is a DECISION fighter.

wayner123 · 06-29-2010, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by wayner123

So which Champion or top MMA person, is not overrated in your opinion?

Ahem

ActionAndy · 06-29-2010, 12:05 PM

So GSP isn't a real champ either? I can see your point that he's not always finishing fights--there is a hyped mystique around the guy that he could kill grizzly bears with eye lasers and all that, but c'mon. At the time he fought them Sylvia and Arlovski were NOT cans and he finished both of them. He finished Sylvia so quick you could watch the fight twice before the average Billy Mays commercial ends.

Starscream · 06-29-2010, 12:41 PM

Any word on Batista signing with Strikeforce yet?

goalie204 · 06-29-2010, 04:39 PM

i never said he wasn't a real champ, so don't put words in my mouth, i just said fedor is overrated, and sylvia was pretty much always a can

06-29-2010, 10:41 PM

This is a dead horse I'm really sick of hearing about it but I laughed when you called Fedor a decision fighter. Thats the 1st time I heard that, he has 1 decision win in the last 5 years. Most fighters don't even last 5 years in the buisness. Fedor has a worldwide reputation to go for the kill. He willingly risk himself to finish people and doesn't hesitate to jump in a world class bjj guard. Andrson the punk Silva would have run away and danced around the ring like he did against Maia. Silva and Chael Sonnen are decision fighters.

goalie204 · 06-30-2010, 08:59 AM

If you'd have actually read the first thing i said in that post, it said "from a post" meaning it was a copy/paste from another place. I never said any of those things, just that i agreed with some of it.

wayner123 · 06-30-2010, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by goalie204

If you'd have actually read the first thing i said in that post, it said "from a post" meaning it was a copy/paste from another place. I never said any of those things, just that i agreed with some of it.

Ok, third time is a charm.....

Which Champion or top MMA person, is not overrated in your opinion?

goalie204 · 06-30-2010, 10:14 AM

If i say i think Fedor is overrated, why does it matter who (and if) i think someone else is not overrated? What does one thing have to do with another? If i talk about apples and how i don't like macintosh ones, are you going to ask me about oranges? gg

wayner123 · 06-30-2010, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by goalie204

If i say i think Fedor is overrated, why does it matter who (and if) i think someone else is not overrated? What does one thing have to do with another? If i talk about apples and how i don't like macintosh ones, are you going to ask me about oranges? gg

It's a simple question. This is a MMA thread. I would like to know which Champion or top MMA person, is not overrated in your opinion?

If you don't want to answer it, that's fine.

goalie204 · 06-30-2010, 11:37 AM

and again, what i think about other fighters has nothing to do with what i think about fedor.

wayner123 · 06-30-2010, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by goalie204

and again, what i think about other fighters has nothing to do with what i think about fedor.

Ok.... I never said it did. I asked a simple question.

goalie204 · 07-06-2010, 10:12 AM

was surprised to see lesnar submit carwin, but the guy can take a beating, i figured in round 1 it would have been over for sure. Overall it was a great card

J0eybb · 07-06-2010, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by goalie204

was surprised to see lesnar submit carwin, but the guy can take a beating, i figured in round 1 it would have been over for sure. Overall it was a great card

It easily could have been stopped in the first round, and if it wasn't a championship match it would have.

I'd like to see them do it again. Actually I don't think Lesnar will win his next match.

yachties23 · 07-06-2010, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by J0eybb

It easily could have been stopped in the first round, and if it wasn't a championship match it would have.

I'd like to see them do it again. Actually I don't think Lesnar will win his next match.

I actually agree, but I do think if Dos Santos gets a chance, he will knock out Brock. I give the big guy credit, he took a whooping in the 1st, and even though the fight could have been easily stopped, he showed great heart.

Great card overall. Great to see Leben win, Poor Akiyama had a can in Wandy all lined up, and gets fed to a buzz saw in the crippler. Bonner still has something left, Chris Lytle always is impressive.

LasciviousXXX · 07-27-2010, 04:00 PM

Story BloodyElbow just ran.... interesting

"Will Dana White Really Cut Anderson Silva If He Plays Around Against Chael Sonnen at UFC 117?

Kevin Iole documents the atrocities that have been Anderson Silva's recent middleweight title defenses:

Following UFC 90, which featured little action in the first two rounds before Cote had to withdraw after a third-round knee injury, White came to the post-fight news conference and said, "I was sitting there saying, ‘What the [expletive] is going on?' " He also said, "I was sitting there going, ‘No, this isn't happening,' " and, "If you don't know him and you showed up for the first time, you'd [think] that guy was goofing around. He was acting arrogant and cocky and trying to play with [Cote] like he was a little kid."

It was more of the same at UFC 97, when Silva declined to follow Leites, a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt, to the mat and turn a fight into a grappling match, leading to a dull five-round fight. Silva didn't understand why he was being criticized and said, "Everything I trained to do, I did."
...

But Silva's performances at UFC 90 and UFC 97 were just kind of a cruel warm-up act to the comedy skit that went on during his title defense against Maia, the first UFC card in the Middle East and the first with the White and Fertitta's new partners, Abu Dhabi-based Flash Entertainment, in place.

Iole also says that had Anderson put on the kind of performances against Cote, Leites and Maia that he did against Rich Franklin (2x), Dan Henderson and Nate Marquardt that he'd likely have been rewarded with a mega-fight against welterweight champion Georges St Pierre.

Instead, Silva is being punished by having to beat Chael Sonnen and Vitor Belfort in conconsecutive MW title defenses before getting any more fights outside his division. That's IF Dana White approves of his performances in the two fights.

Iole continues:

But if there is a repeat, the pressure will shift from Silva to White. White vowed after UFC 112 to cut Silva should he fight as he did that night ever again.

If Silva prances his way to an unsatisfying win, the burden will shift to White to back up his tough talk and ax the man he's touted for years as the best fighter in the world.

That would be far more interesting to watch than any of Silva's last three title defenses have been.

That will indeed be very interesting and could well be a critical fork in the road for Dana White, the UFC and MMA as a sport. If the precedent is established that simply winning is not enough to stay in the UFC, but rather entertaining is the preeminent virtue, White will have indeed set the UFC on a course away from sport and towards sport-entertainment.

On the other hand, if Anderson Silva once again makes a mockery of his opponent and the fight and Dana does not cut him, Dana will look like he backed down in the face of a recalcitrant but supremely talented athlete."

ActionAndy · 08-02-2010, 12:34 PM

FIREBALL KID!

06-29-2010, 07:52 AM	#1343
ActionAndy Dayman, Master of Karate Join Date: Dec 2008 First Name: Andy Location: Saratoga Springs, NY Posts: 671 Trading: (7)	Re: Official MMA Thread The records of some of Fedor's opponents (at the time he fought them): Cro-Cop was 16-2-2 Nog was 24-2-1 Coleman was 13-5 (first time) Sylvia was 24-4 Arlovski was 15-5 Fujita was 9-2 Lindland 19-4 What a bunch of bums! __________________ In the merry month of June, from me home I started...

06-29-2010, 11:41 AM	#1344
goalie204 Have My Own Room Join Date: Dec 2008 First Name: Myles Location: Winnipeg Posts: 1,659 Trading: (12)	Re: Official MMA Thread From a post, which i kind of agree with: Ricardo Arona by decision--->fedor was on top of him most of the match. He won the decision because Fedor was on top of him..SHOULDA been a DRAW!! Renato BABALU Sobral by decision----->again, fedor was on top of babalu, that is how he won the decision. Heath Herring by Cut--->a win on a cut really doesn't count as a real MMA win. Antonio Rodgrigo Nogueira by decision--->all fedor did was stay on top of nog and kill the clock. Kazayuki Fujita by choke---->I gotta admit that fedor won this match fair and square. However, Fujita isn't a top 10 heavyweight at the time. mark coleman by armbar--->im pretty sure, defeating a 41 year old man counts.... Antonio Rodgrigo Nogueaira 2 by decision--->fedor won because he stayed on top of NOG. Nog and fedor's standup game were similar. Mirko Filipinovic By decision--->Fedor knows he cannot outstrike Mirko (at the time) , so he had to tackle him to the ground and Kill some clock. The refs like MMA fighters that stay on top, therefore fedor won. Summary?!! Fedor has beaten the top MMA fighters in Pride; however, he won through DECISION. The only MMA fighters that wasn't cans that he defeated was-->a 41 year old mark coleman, kevin randleman, a non top 10 heavyweight kazayuki Fujita, and a 41 year old don fry. EVERY other NON can MMA match, fedor WOn through decision. Fedor--->overrated. He wins against top heavyweights through decision.. WHILE he Beat up on CANS, claiming he is the best. Fedor is overrated. NUFF SAID.... Fedor is a DECISION fighter.

06-29-2010, 12:05 PM	#1346
ActionAndy Dayman, Master of Karate Join Date: Dec 2008 First Name: Andy Location: Saratoga Springs, NY Posts: 671 Trading: (7)	Re: Official MMA Thread So GSP isn't a real champ either? I can see your point that he's not always finishing fights--there is a hyped mystique around the guy that he could kill grizzly bears with eye lasers and all that, but c'mon. At the time he fought them Sylvia and Arlovski were NOT cans and he finished both of them. He finished Sylvia so quick you could watch the fight twice before the average Billy Mays commercial ends. __________________ In the merry month of June, from me home I started...

06-29-2010, 12:41 PM	#1347
Starscream Knowhutimean, Vern? Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Andy Location: In a little town somewhere in the USA Posts: 10,237 Trading: (4)	Re: Official MMA Thread Any word on Batista signing with Strikeforce yet? __________________ Insert quote here.

06-29-2010, 04:39 PM	#1348
goalie204 Have My Own Room Join Date: Dec 2008 First Name: Myles Location: Winnipeg Posts: 1,659 Trading: (12)	Re: Official MMA Thread i never said he wasn't a real champ, so don't put words in my mouth, i just said fedor is overrated, and sylvia was pretty much always a can

06-29-2010, 10:41 PM	#1349
Steelergar Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Official MMA Thread This is a dead horse I'm really sick of hearing about it but I laughed when you called Fedor a decision fighter. Thats the 1st time I heard that, he has 1 decision win in the last 5 years. Most fighters don't even last 5 years in the buisness. Fedor has a worldwide reputation to go for the kill. He willingly risk himself to finish people and doesn't hesitate to jump in a world class bjj guard. Andrson the punk Silva would have run away and danced around the ring like he did against Maia. Silva and Chael Sonnen are decision fighters.

06-30-2010, 08:59 AM	#1350
goalie204 Have My Own Room Join Date: Dec 2008 First Name: Myles Location: Winnipeg Posts: 1,659 Trading: (12)	Re: Official MMA Thread If you'd have actually read the first thing i said in that post, it said "from a post" meaning it was a copy/paste from another place. I never said any of those things, just that i agreed with some of it.

06-30-2010, 10:14 AM	#1352
goalie204 Have My Own Room Join Date: Dec 2008 First Name: Myles Location: Winnipeg Posts: 1,659 Trading: (12)	Re: Official MMA Thread If i say i think Fedor is overrated, why does it matter who (and if) i think someone else is not overrated? What does one thing have to do with another? If i talk about apples and how i don't like macintosh ones, are you going to ask me about oranges? gg

06-30-2010, 11:37 AM	#1354
goalie204 Have My Own Room Join Date: Dec 2008 First Name: Myles Location: Winnipeg Posts: 1,659 Trading: (12)	Re: Official MMA Thread and again, what i think about other fighters has nothing to do with what i think about fedor.

07-06-2010, 10:12 AM	#1356
goalie204 Have My Own Room Join Date: Dec 2008 First Name: Myles Location: Winnipeg Posts: 1,659 Trading: (12)	Re: Official MMA Thread was surprised to see lesnar submit carwin, but the guy can take a beating, i figured in round 1 it would have been over for sure. Overall it was a great card

07-27-2010, 04:00 PM	#1359
LasciviousXXX Team of 11...Always Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Týr Location: New Orleans Posts: 4,579 Trading: (8)	Re: Official MMA Thread Story BloodyElbow just ran.... interesting "Will Dana White Really Cut Anderson Silva If He Plays Around Against Chael Sonnen at UFC 117? Kevin Iole documents the atrocities that have been Anderson Silva's recent middleweight title defenses: Following UFC 90, which featured little action in the first two rounds before Cote had to withdraw after a third-round knee injury, White came to the post-fight news conference and said, "I was sitting there saying, ‘What the [expletive] is going on?' " He also said, "I was sitting there going, ‘No, this isn't happening,' " and, "If you don't know him and you showed up for the first time, you'd [think] that guy was goofing around. He was acting arrogant and cocky and trying to play with [Cote] like he was a little kid." It was more of the same at UFC 97, when Silva declined to follow Leites, a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt, to the mat and turn a fight into a grappling match, leading to a dull five-round fight. Silva didn't understand why he was being criticized and said, "Everything I trained to do, I did." ... But Silva's performances at UFC 90 and UFC 97 were just kind of a cruel warm-up act to the comedy skit that went on during his title defense against Maia, the first UFC card in the Middle East and the first with the White and Fertitta's new partners, Abu Dhabi-based Flash Entertainment, in place. Iole also says that had Anderson put on the kind of performances against Cote, Leites and Maia that he did against Rich Franklin (2x), Dan Henderson and Nate Marquardt that he'd likely have been rewarded with a mega-fight against welterweight champion Georges St Pierre. Instead, Silva is being punished by having to beat Chael Sonnen and Vitor Belfort in conconsecutive MW title defenses before getting any more fights outside his division. That's IF Dana White approves of his performances in the two fights. Iole continues: But if there is a repeat, the pressure will shift from Silva to White. White vowed after UFC 112 to cut Silva should he fight as he did that night ever again. If Silva prances his way to an unsatisfying win, the burden will shift to White to back up his tough talk and ax the man he's touted for years as the best fighter in the world. That would be far more interesting to watch than any of Silva's last three title defenses have been. That will indeed be very interesting and could well be a critical fork in the road for Dana White, the UFC and MMA as a sport. If the precedent is established that simply winning is not enough to stay in the UFC, but rather entertaining is the preeminent virtue, White will have indeed set the UFC on a course away from sport and towards sport-entertainment. On the other hand, if Anderson Silva once again makes a mockery of his opponent and the fight and Dana does not cut him, Dana will look like he backed down in the face of a recalcitrant but supremely talented athlete."

08-02-2010, 12:34 PM	#1360
ActionAndy Dayman, Master of Karate Join Date: Dec 2008 First Name: Andy Location: Saratoga Springs, NY Posts: 671 Trading: (7)	Re: Official MMA Thread FIREBALL KID! __________________ In the merry month of June, from me home I started...