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[Bill86]

Originally Posted by jonumberone

I agree with Bill in that UFC Fighters are fighting like they have alot more money in the bank.
That Doesn't mean that decisions are boring.
The biggest problem facing UFC in regards to decisions has been the judges scoring of recent bouts.
The leonard Garcia vs Nam Phan fight from the Ultimate fighter finale and the Riddle vs Peirson fight this past weekend reminded me of why I stopped watching boxing.
I agree Riddle lost his fight, but not by a 30-27 unanimous decision.
I think bias is being shown to the fighters UFC wants to showcase.
Take the Jake shields vs Martin Kampman fight.
Sheilds takes down Kampman, inflicts zero damage, Kampman gets right up, punches Shields in the face, Decision Shields?

I really don't want to argue with anyone here, so please don't think I am trying to.

This is pretty much what I was saying...the decline of the UFC. Judges have made some REALLY bad decisions lately (shogun vs machida 1) and all they are doing is hyping up some newer fighters just for $$$$. Cain velasquez or whatever his name is....he might be a great fighter but he's very new, same with Brock. I hate whenever people mention Brock Vs Fedor. Come on now Fedors like 31-1-1, and Brock lost his 2nd fight and a couple more. Fedor would eat Brock for a mid-morning snack.

That said, it is a shame. I really enjoyed watching the UFC for a good 3-4 years. It's hard to watch now.

Another side note....

Brock did not EVER pay his dues! He was instantly given TOP fighters when he didn't deserve them. Cro Cop got tossed a tin can Eddie Sanchez, WHO RAN AWAY THE WHOLE FIGHT! My point of course is $$$$$$$$, Brock was more marketable so they give him serious fights. No one knew Cro Cop so they give him all mid level fighters IF THAT, of course he doesn't take it seriously. If I were him I would do the same, they don't take him seriously why not take the free paychecks.

Not to mention the UFC has lost some top notch fighters, Tim Sylvia (hes so boring , but he does win), Snowman Monson, Dan henderson and Arlovski to name a few.

[J0eybb]

Originally Posted by Bill86

I really don't want to argue with anyone here, so please don't think I am trying to.

This is pretty much what I was saying...the decline of the UFC. Judges have made some REALLY bad decisions lately (shogun vs machida 1) and all they are doing is hyping up some newer fighters just for $$$$. Cain velasquez or whatever his name is....he might be a great fighter but he's very new, same with Brock. I hate whenever people mention Brock Vs Fedor. Come on now Fedors like 31-1-1, and Brock lost his 2nd fight and a couple more. Fedor would eat Brock for a mid-morning snack.

That said, it is a shame. I really enjoyed watching the UFC for a good 3-4 years. It's hard to watch now.

Another side note....

Brock did not EVER pay his dues! He was instantly given TOP fighters when he didn't deserve them. Cro Cop got tossed a tin can Eddie Sanchez, WHO RAN AWAY THE WHOLE FIGHT! My point of course is $$$$$$$$, Brock was more marketable so they give him serious fights. No one knew Cro Cop so they give him all mid level fighters IF THAT, of course he doesn't take it seriously. If I were him I would do the same, they don't take him seriously why not take the free paychecks.

Not to mention the UFC has lost some top notch fighters, Tim Sylvia (hes so boring , but he does win), Snowman Monson, Dan henderson and Arlovski to name a few.

We are here to argue... and I wanted to highlight that part.

[BORIStheBLADE]

Originally Posted by yachties23

GSP doesn't finish fights. He takes zero risks, and I'm tired of hearing at the end of every PPV he headlines "MY goal was to finish him and I fell short" He is as boring a fighter to watch as there is in the UFC. Saturday's jab fest was slightly better than his normal lay and pray tactics. I'm hopeful that he tries that ground and pound crap with shields. Cause over the course of a 5 rounder, he will get caught and subbed.

So when GSP was fighting Hardy and had him in that arm bar he let it go because he wanted a 5 round fight?
I'm not defending GSP, but I do remember that fight.

Looking at his record the last couple of years he has no submissions, but I highly doubt he wants decision wins. Last submission was in 2007.

Originally Posted by Bill86

I really don't want to argue with anyone here, so please don't think I am trying to.

This is pretty much what I was saying...the decline of the UFC. Judges have made some REALLY bad decisions lately (shogun vs machida 1) and all they are doing is hyping up some newer fighters just for $$$$. Cain velasquez or whatever his name is....he might be a great fighter but he's very new, same with Brock. I hate whenever people mention Brock Vs Fedor. Come on now Fedors like 31-1-1, and Brock lost his 2nd fight and a couple more. Fedor would eat Brock for a mid-morning snack.

That said, it is a shame. I really enjoyed watching the UFC for a good 3-4 years. It's hard to watch now.

Another side note....

Brock did not EVER pay his dues! He was instantly given TOP fighters when he didn't deserve them. Cro Cop got tossed a tin can Eddie Sanchez, WHO RAN AWAY THE WHOLE FIGHT! My point of course is $$$$$$$$, Brock was more marketable so they give him serious fights. No one knew Cro Cop so they give him all mid level fighters IF THAT, of course he doesn't take it seriously. If I were him I would do the same, they don't take him seriously why not take the free paychecks.

Not to mention the UFC has lost some top notch fighters, Tim Sylvia (hes so boring , but he does win), Snowman Monson, Dan henderson and Arlovski to name a few.

I couldn't agree more.

[jonumberone]

Originally Posted by BORIStheBLADE

So when GSP was fighting Hardy and had him in that arm bar he let it go because he wanted a 5 round fight?
I'm not defending GSP, but I do remember that fight.

Looking at his record the last couple of years he has no submissions, but I highly doubt he wants decision wins. Last submission was in 2007.

I couldn't agree more.

I was lucky enough to be ringside for GSP Hardy. How Hardy's arm didn't come completely off was a miracle. From where I was sitting you could actually see the torque on his arm. GSP also had Hardy in a kimora in round 4, again Kudos to hardy. GSP was trying to finish him!

In regards to Brock, He was put In with Mir the first time to make sure he wasn't a fluke ala James Toney and dominated that fight until he made a rookie mistake and got caught in a heel hook. He showed he could fight and earned himself another bout, He then dominated heath Herring. Perhaps a shot against Couture was premature, but he won! He then avenged his loss to Mir. Using Cro Cop isn't a good example. He won his first bout and then lost to a middle of the road fighter Gonzaga and a barely above average Kongo. When he was in against Junior Dos santos he quit on his feet!

In the end UFC is a business and people WANTED TO SEE BROCK FIGHT!
I believe UFC 100 is still the most watched PPV to date with over 1.5 million buys.

[Bill86]

Originally Posted by jonumberone

In regards to Brock, He was put In with Mir the first time to make sure he wasn't a fluke ala James Toney and dominated that fight until he made a rookie mistake and got caught in a heel hook. He showed he could fight and earned himself another bout, He then dominated heath Herring. Perhaps a shot against Couture was premature, but he won! He then avenged his loss to Mir. Using Cro Cop isn't a good example. He won his first bout and then lost to a middle of the road fighter Gonzaga and a barely above average Kongo. When he was in against Junior Dos santos he quit on his feet!

My point was Cro Cop gets Sanchez and a 1 fight NOOB gets Mir? That decision was motivated by $$$ and greed. Especially when Cro Cop came off a fantastic Pride career, and I'm sorry I think he beat Fedor if not it was definitely a VERY close fight. Brock came off a 1 fight win vs.....*crickets* MR SHARK!??!?

Brock dominating Mir......Eh, maybe but for what less than 3 minutes? It's easy to run at someone and land a few good shots without thinking about what failure you're setting yourself up for. He got outclassed by a much more patient Mir. Brock is also a classless poor loser, he represents everything MMA wasn't supposed to be.

Brock dominating Herring? Nope Brock sat on herring and maybe threw 1-3 good punches. He even said his goal was to ride it out or just tie him up.

Gonzaga got a good kick no doubt. Kongo kneed Cro Cop in the balls like 3 times. IMO that should have been a DQ or points taken off. How well would you fight or even do anything involving moving if you took 3 knee shots to the nuts?