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[Starz26]

Its good to know that the services ensuring that the site is secure and verified actually care about it...NOT

I contacted both ****** and McAfee yet it seems they still feel the need to keep their logo associated with this site...

Just proves those seals mean nothing and it is all about the money they make of providing those seals....

[bobarian]

Originally Posted by Starz26

FYI, if you ordered from this deal please watch your credit cards. Everyone I know over on the other forums that ordered this deal has had fradulant charges appear.

I Just got a call from Amex Fraud. Nailed for $3,000 charge to Luftansa and a 40.00 charge to Air asia.

Thankfully Amex is very good at detecting this stuff and stopped them in their tracks.

I have no doubt that the use of Schnoops was the culprit either through a direct fraud by the website or and indirect hacking into their database.

Originally Posted by Starz26

Its good to know that the services ensuring that the site is secure and verified actually care about it...NOT

I contacted both ****** and McAfee yet it seems they still feel the need to keep their logo associated with this site...

Just proves those seals mean nothing and it is all about the money they make of providing those seals....

Did you lose money? "Everyone", that's a lot of people. I see only Amex people who have encountered these charges. What about the "Everyone" who use PP, Visa or MC? What proof do you have that the account number was not grabbed in the transaction between the third party biller and Amex?
Seems like an Amex issue and not the vendor? From every one who has posted I see 100% satisfaction in the product provided.

[Blueface]

Originally Posted by bobarian

Did you lose money? "Everyone", that's a lot of people. I see only Amex people who have encountered these charges. What about the "Everyone" who use PP, Visa or MC? What proof do you have that the account number was not grabbed in the transaction between the third party biller and Amex?
Seems like an Amex issue and not the vendor? From every one who has posted I see 100% satisfaction in the product provided.

Hard to argue with this point.
I used Visa and to date, still no issues.
I can't see it being the vendor as they would not be selective in the fraud process.
If fraud is the intent, they would have nailed all of us.

[jitzy]

Originally Posted by Blueface

Hard to argue with this point.
I used Visa and to date, still no issues.
I can't see it being the vendor as they would not be selective in the fraud process.
If fraud is the intent, they would have nailed all of us.

Sure you can Waffle used Visa and was compromised. I think its funny someone is trying to look out for guys and he's now turned into the vilian.

[Blueface]

Originally Posted by jitzy

Sure you can Waffle used Visa and was compromised. I think its funny someone is trying to look out for guys and he's now turned into the vilian.

I sure as heck can't be quoted anywhere here on this thread making him out to be a villain.
While they may in fact be, I just think there is clearly insufficient evidence to conclude the vendor is at fault here and make that assertion.
While EVERYONE at that other site is purported to have been defrauded, EVERYONE on this thread hasn't. In fact, almost all have not.
Personally, I appreciate the heads up. However, the sky isn't falling here. Credit card fraud is a daily, every minute thing.
I have yet to be charged anything other than $15 and just checked again to make sure.

I would recommend anyone concerned activate email notification of any and all activity to their account. Amazing how much better one sleeps when you get notified on your smart phone of any and all charges.

[14holestogie]

Originally Posted by Blueface

I sure as heck can't be quoted anywhere here on this thread making him out to be a villain.
While they may in fact be, I just think there is clearly insufficient evidence to conclude the vendor is at fault here and make that assertion.
While EVERYONE at that other site is purported to have been defrauded, EVERYONE on this thread hasn't. In fact, almost all have not.
Personally, I appreciate the heads up. However, the sky isn't falling here. Credit card fraud is a daily, every minute thing.
I have yet to be charged anything other than $15 and just checked again to make sure.

I would recommend anyone concerned activate email notification of any and all activity to their account. Amazing how much better one sleeps when you get notified on your smart phone of any and all charges.

Just checked again for the third or fourth time since this began, and nothing out of the ordinary on Discover.

I will say this for the 2 cards I use regularly. Discover has been compromised a couple years ago, but their fraud department contacted me asking if I had ordered a laptop. After telling them I hadn't, the card was deactivated and a new one was in the mail to me in a couple days.

The other I use for my "import" purposes contacts me just about every time I order with suspicious activity detected. I get a little ticked off having to tell them on a monthly basis that yes, that's my order. Let it go.

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by jitzy

Sure you can Waffle used Visa and was compromised. I think its funny someone is trying to look out for guys and he's now turned into the vilian.

Who's turning him into a villian?

[jitzy]

Originally Posted by icehog3

Who's turning him into a villian?

Ok maybe villain was the wrong word but guys are kinda giving him crap it seams for bringing this to peoples attention. I don't know what board he is talking about when he says "everyone" but who knows maybe they have. Personally I used Pp and seam to be fine. Just surprises me someone tries to point out something that happened and he was made to look bad. If blueface didn't mean it like that than I apologize but the way it reads it does sound like that.

[T.G]

Originally Posted by jitzy

Ok maybe villain was the wrong word but guys are kinda giving him crap it seams for bringing this to peoples attention.

Who is giving him crap? All I see are people disagreeing with some of his assertions.


BTW, FWIW, Mychal (LostAbbott) and Tom brought the CC fraud issue to people's attention on the 16th, three days prior to Starz26's first post on the subject.

[markem]

Originally Posted by Starz26

Its good to know that the services ensuring that the site is secure and verified actually care about it...NOT

I contacted both ****** and McAfee yet it seems they still feel the need to keep their logo associated with this site...

Just proves those seals mean nothing and it is all about the money they make of providing those seals....

Dude, let it go. The financial model fits with the less-than-perfect credit card model. Trust me, I consult and teach grad school in this area.

At this point, you risk looking silly, vindictive, clueless, or maybe just like someone peed on your Cheerios. Dunno, but you've crossed the line of reasonableness.

If you do a search in the site, you can find a short but basically accurate post I made about how CC fraud actually occurs.

[Blueface]

Originally Posted by markem

If you do a search in the site, you can find a short but basically accurate post I made about how CC fraud actually occurs.

Mark,
Can I suggest you attach that to this thread for anyone wanting to further explore that and may not be aware of that elusive "search" feature?

[Starz26]

Originally Posted by markem

Dude, let it go.

At this point, you risk looking silly, vindictive, clueless, or maybe just like someone peed on your Cheerios. Dunno, but you've crossed the line of reasonableness.

Let it go, clueless, silly, vindictive?? Sure, then next time I will just sit back and say the hell with it. It did not affect me let everyone else figure it out for themselves.

Take it for what you will, Here, BOTL, Cigarfamily, etc...It is happening to "a lot" (everyone was an incorrect label.) of people. All of us have one thing in common, shnoop.

****** says they have not been compromised - Check
Site security is verified by Mcafee and godady - check
The authorized.net seal was removed on Monday - check

Not sure who is at fault but i do know that by placing and order on the site you risk your CC being compromised.

[markem]

Originally Posted by Starz26

Not sure who is at fault but i do know that by placing and order on the site you risk your CC being compromised.

Dude. Reality check. Whenever you use your CC, in person or over the phone or electronically or via carrier pigeon (just to name a few), you risk compromise. For a specific circumstance with a specific card holder, the risks vary.

[Starz26]

Originally Posted by markem

Dude. Reality check. Whenever you use your CC, in person or over the phone or electronically or via carrier pigeon (just to name a few), you risk compromise. For a specific circumstance with a specific card holder, the risks vary.

I guess I should have said "INCREASED RISK".

Dude reality check, do not take my comments out of context. this thread is not about an everyday purchase and an everyday vendor

[T.G]

Originally Posted by Starz26

love all the kind words for passing along some good information.....

Well, for those that were not hit, please let us know when you are....will be interesting to see...

For those that do not see a connection with shnoop dot com (directly or indirectly) and the fraud, well as another poster said, you are clueless. Oh and if they really cared and were not involved they would respond to emails...

For those that think I do not know the risks of CC, well, again clueless....

Next time we see someone complaining about a Cigar Site shipping broken items, paying to much etc, maybe we should all just respond "You know the risks

I wonder if any of the fraudulent charges were for pie?

[Starz26]

Originally Posted by T.G

I wonder if any of the fraudulent charges were for pie?

Ahh, see, there ya go, quoting a post before I thought better of it and deleted it..... Shame on you!