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[chippewastud79]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Just for kicks, I looked up the average starting salary for a MLB player here, and picked a random team (New Orleans Saints; found here) and added up the salaries of the top 25 players. Came to $99.59007 million (only added it up once, could be incorrect). Divided that by 25, and got $3.98 million. I'm positive it's different for different teams, just wanted to throw that out there.

Try your theory with the Yankees vs. Packers.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by chippewastud79

Try your theory with the Yankees vs. Packers.

Well since the top four paid players in all of baseball play for the Yankees, me thinks that would skew the bell curve some.

[chippewastud79]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Well since the top four paid players in all of baseball play for the Yankees, me thinks that would skew the bell curve some.

Kind of like including the Pirates in an average when the base salaries for NFL players is severely more slotted than baseball. Minimum wage isn't close, and top end is even more glaring. Also, this doesn't even factor that MLB contracts are guaranteed for the life of the contract, NFL salaries are terminated on a whim with not a single dollar spent after a player is released or injured.

[Stephen]

Smitty's initial point that I took interest in.

Originally Posted by VirtualSmitty

Look how much more baseball players make than footballs on average, pretty impressive numbers.

My reply:

Originally Posted by Stephen

That's because football rosters are twice the size of baseball rosters. I'd counter that the top 25 paid players on each NFL squad would be a higher average than the average salary of an MLB player, but it doesn't add anything to the discussion so I'll leave well enough alone...

Originally Posted by chippewastud79

Kind of like including the Pirates in an average when the base salaries for NFL players is severely more slotted than baseball. Minimum wage isn't close, and top end is even more glaring. Also, this doesn't even factor that MLB contracts are guaranteed for the life of the contract, NFL salaries are terminated on a whim with not a single dollar spent after a player is released or injured.

I'm not arguing that MLB doesn't have a higher floor or a higher ceiling.

[chippewastud79]

Originally Posted by Stephen

I'm not arguing that MLB doesn't have a higher floor or a higher ceiling.

I understand, but the average salary is hardly as cut and dry as you make it/believe. Average career, total contract, injury risk, certain teams payroll etc. all make the 'average salary' much cloudier than it is in regard internet searchable numbers. NFL teams have relatively similar payrolls, MLB teams vary so much and teams all spend their money differently.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by chippewastud79

I understand, but the average salary is hardly as cut and dry as you make it/believe. Average career, total contract, injury risk, certain teams payroll etc. all make the 'average salary' much cloudier than it is in regard internet searchable numbers. NFL teams have relatively similar payrolls, MLB teams vary so much and teams all spend their money differently.

Why is it you're trying to lead me down a path that I'm not arguing? I'm not talking about career earnings or injury risks. Again, here's the statement that I (reluctantly) replied to:

Originally Posted by VirtualSmitty

Look how much more baseball players make than footballs on average, pretty impressive numbers.

Originally Posted by Stephen

I'd counter that the top 25 paid players on each NFL squad would be a higher average than the average salary of an MLB player

[VirtualSmitty]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Smitty's initial point that I took interest in.

My reply:


I'm not arguing that MLB doesn't have a higher floor or a higher ceiling.

Ah, but your missing my point about the minors. Aside from the 25 man roster that, each MLB team is also responsible for three other 25 man roster, so every MLB team has far more players to manage on a whole.

And my Yankees/Cubs posts was the second most ridiculous thing posted. Someone chimed in earlier with an ever so insightful comment that no one watched baseball anymore, figured I might as well state something as ridiculous while the thread remained civil

As far as the salary talks, it's just a point to show that the sport is doing well. The MLB operates much differently than the NFL, the fact that they are still able to be successful without having to resort to the NFLs brand of sports socialism is a pretty worthy achievement since most other sports in this country seem to be going down that road unfortunately. All sports are a business and they should operate like any other business in this country imho. If a team or league can't cut it, it should fail

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by VirtualSmitty

Ah, but your missing my point about the minors. Aside from the 25 man roster that, each MLB team is also responsible for three other 25 man roster, so every MLB team has far more players to manage on a whole.

Don't most MLB teams have more than one A/AA club? Not trying to be a smartass, just been awhile since I followed the minor's closely...

Originally Posted by VirtualSmitty

And my Yankees/Cubs posts was the second most ridiculous thing posted. Someone chimed in earlier with an ever so insightful comment that no one watched baseball anymore, figured I might as well state something as ridiculous while the thread remained civil

If this thread does turn sour, I assure you it won't be by my doing.

Originally Posted by VirtualSmitty

As far as the salary talks, it's just a point to show that the sport is doing well. The MLB operates much differently than the NFL, the fact that they are still able to be successful without having to resort to the NFLs brand of sports socialism is a pretty worthy achievement since most other sports in this country seem to be going down that road unfortunately. All sports are a business and they should operate like any other business in this country imho. If a team or league can't cut it, it should fail

All I can say to that is this:

Originally Posted by Stephen

MLB on the other hand is 30 separate businesses acting in their own best interests instead of what's best for MLB.

It's my opinion that while each franchise has a seperate owner, the business is MLB (or NFL/NBA/NHL). You see them as a separate entity. That seem about right?

[VirtualSmitty]

Originally Posted by Stephen

It's my opinion that while each franchise has a seperate owner, the business is MLB (or NFL/NBA/NHL). You see them as a separate entity. That seem about right?

Exactly right. Each team is it's own brand and business

The minimum is always three minor league clubs. It gets cloudy after that, there are some teams that exist and compete with no major league affiliation. Minor league teams also change hands rather frequently, i've lost track myself to be honest

And just to be clear, i'm enjoying the conversation thus far. Kudos to everyone contributing constructive posts I like the back and forth and wasn't suggesting anyone was making the thread sour. I'm just surprised it has gone on as long as it has so well, on the old boards I remember a thread like this going south in a matter of hours

Oh and I pulled this from a site comparing 2010 baseball salaries and 2009 football salaries:

Major League Baseball
Major League Baseball's average salary per player in the 2010 season was $3,297,828. These numbers only encompass players on the major league roster, but all the teams in Major League Baseball also have an extensive minor league system, which would drastically reduce the average salary.

National Football League
In the 2009 National Football League season, the average player salary was $1.1 million. This number is severely skewed as there are several players on a team making a salary of around $7 million to $8 million, while a larger number make toward the league minimum. The league minimum for rookies in 2009 was $193,000.


Read more: The Average Salaries in Professional Sports

[Sawyer]

Originally Posted by VirtualSmitty

Ah, but your missing my point about the minors. Aside from the 25 man roster that, each MLB team is also responsible for three other 25 man roster, so every MLB team has far more players to manage on a whole.

And my Yankees/Cubs posts was the second most ridiculous thing posted. Someone chimed in earlier with an ever so insightful comment that no one watched baseball anymore, figured I might as well state something as ridiculous while the thread remained civil

As far as the salary talks, it's just a point to show that the sport is doing well. The MLB operates much differently than the NFL, the fact that they are still able to be successful without having to resort to the NFLs brand of sports socialism is a pretty worthy achievement since most other sports in this country seem to be going down that road unfortunately. All sports are a business and they should operate like any other business in this country imho. If a team or league can't cut it, it should fail

There was one of these after it, so yours still stands as the silliest.