It's happend

[Da Klugs]

So the end has arrived. So long Club Stogie. Welcome Puff.com. No cigar site is perfect. We find them and become addicted to one or another based upon primarily the people that hang out on them not the look and feel or even the intent of the site owners.

Over time, we all learn a little more about the nature of public on line cigar sites if we pay attention. They differ in fundamental ways. From my perspective there are 3 basic types...

1. Sites started and operated by folks in the cigar business. Pretty straightforward. You know that Fuentes, a Magazine etc owns the site and your expectations are set as such.

2. Sites that started out as hobby boards and evolved into a blend of hobby and revenue producing. CS, CL, CR, CP etc fall into this mold. (All the sites bought or attempted to be bought) The desired vibe is the "community" vs the business of the board. The business is in the background seen only by the owner. When you first join one teh "community spirit" disguises the business side. Over time you gain an understanding of the lay of the land. We know the guy that owns it and know that the site is a passion vs a business and appreciate the fact that ads etc help offset the cost of our homes. Interesting that these are the targets for acquisition as they are primed for moving to "the next level". We get rude awakenings when the hobby board owner decides to cash in on "his hobby/our community".

3. Hobby boards. Fall into 2 categories. Ones that started from scratch with no "family" to start them up and migration based boards.. like here. Most of the from scratch ones die off, very few make it. Seems like longer term folks tend to migrate to these types of boards in general as human nature typically gets in the way of brotherhood somewhere along the way on commercially oriented sites. The fist time they put up an ad they become less of a hobby and more of a business to some small degree and begin the evolution or brotherhood to cash cycle.

New hobby boards get started when there is change in existing boards more often than not. Typically in the past, it has been falling outs among st former friends that leads to creating these new boards. This is a new situation ... Kmart comes to the cigar boards kind of thing.

It's another of the many "slippery slopes".. money. One that is hard to gain objective brotherly traction on once a cigar board owner begins to slide.

I'm sure Mr. Caputo will do fine, make lots of money and flip the thing he builds to a "cigar entity" at some point in time. Lot's of new smokers who do searches and they will be right there at the top for them to find "Puffworld". Difference might be that unlike other boards, there might not be longer term knowledgeable folks to provide "ongoing content" that facilitates personal evolution and growth for new members. Could turn into Cigarboardgateway.com where folks quickly move to another board (once they know boards exist at all) that are less commercially tacky.

or.. this is the future and Puff will rule the cigar board universe with "awesome content", "unique visitors", and cool prizes available to everyone who clicks the ads.

We all choose what we like... there are many choices... so it's all good for someone.

[Starscream]

Originally Posted by Da Klugs

So the end has arrived. So long Club Stogie. Welcome Puff.com. No cigar site is perfect. We find them and become addicted to one or another based upon primarily the people that hang out on them not the look and feel or even the intent of the site owners.

Over time, we all learn a little more about the nature of public on line cigar sites if we pay attention. They differ in fundamental ways. From my perspective there are 3 basic types...

1. Sites started and operated by folks in the cigar business. Pretty straightforward. You know that Fuentes, a Magazine etc owns the site and your expectations are set as such.

2. Sites that started out as hobby boards and evolved into a blend of hobby and revenue producing. CS, CL, CR, CP etc fall into this mold. (All the sites bought or attempted to be bought) The desired vibe is the "community" vs the business of the board. The business is in the background seen only by the owner. When you first join one teh "community spirit" disguises the business side. Over time you gain an understanding of the lay of the land. We know the guy that owns it and know that the site is a passion vs a business and appreciate the fact that ads etc help offset the cost of our homes. Interesting that these are the targets for acquisition as they are primed for moving to "the next level". We get rude awakenings when the hobby board owner decides to cash in on "his hobby/our community".

3. Hobby boards. Fall into 2 categories. Ones that started from scratch with no "family" to start them up and migration based boards.. like here. Most of the from scratch ones die off, very few make it. Seems like longer term folks tend to migrate to these types of boards in general as human nature typically gets in the way of brotherhood somewhere along the way on commercially oriented sites. The fist time they put up an ad they become less of a hobby and more of a business to some small degree and begin the evolution or brotherhood to cash cycle.

New hobby boards get started when there is change in existing boards more often than not. Typically in the past, it has been falling outs among st former friends that leads to creating these new boards. This is a new situation ... Kmart comes to the cigar boards kind of thing.

It's another of the many "slippery slopes".. money. One that is hard to gain objective brotherly traction on once a cigar board owner begins to slide.

I'm sure Mr. Caputo will do fine, make lots of money and flip the thing he builds to a "cigar entity" at some point in time. Lot's of new smokers who do searches and they will be right there at the top for them to find "Puffworld". Difference might be that unlike other boards, there might not be longer term knowledgeable folks to provide "ongoing content" that facilitates personal evolution and growth for new members. Could turn into Cigarboardgateway.com where folks quickly move to another board (once they know boards exist at all) that are less commercially tacky.

or.. this is the future and Puff will rule the cigar board universe with "awesome content", "unique visitors", and cool prizes available to everyone who clicks the ads.

We all choose what we like... there are many choices... so it's all good for someone.

As always, well said.

[icehog3]

I take exception with anyone who says this thread is bashing CS....lots of long time "Gorilla" are just expressing the sadness at seeing something they once cherished turned into something....well, different. People who were members there for 5 years or even 5 months want to express their feelings about the change, whether those be feelings of sadness, of anger, or ambivalence. We are all human.

[Da Klugs]

Originally Posted by icehog3

I take exception with anyone who says this thread is bashing CS....lots of long time "Gorilla" are just expressing the sadness at seeing something they once cherished turned into something....well, different. People who were members there for 5 years or even 5 months want to express their feelings about the change, whether those be feelings of sadness, of anger, or ambivalence. We are all human.

I think the banner at the top of this forum depicts how many of us long term CS'rs feel today.

[mojo65]

Originally Posted by Da Klugs

I think the banner at the top of this forum depicts how many of us long term CS'rs feel today.

Well I started there (CS) in 2005 and never really posted much and never really fitted in at least I dont think so, I tried. But I do miss it seems like a friend has just died but at least I can get a fresh start here. I dont think Puff will ever replace CS or come close to CA.

Originally Posted by icehog3

I take exception with anyone who says this thread is bashing CS....lots of long time "Gorilla" are just expressing the sadness at seeing something they once cherished turned into something....well, different. People who were members there for 5 years or even 5 months want to express their feelings about the change, whether those be feelings of sadness, of anger, or ambivalence. We are all human.

Since CA was started it was asked by the 11 not to get into any type of CS negativity. I felt this thread could head that way. My comment was meant to have guys think before posting. That was all. I should of not said anything as I am not a MOD. I apologize for that.

I clearly don't have the wisdom to know what is opinion and what is bashing. Case in point, I had posted some of MY opinions in my later days of CS to have them deemed bashing by the new MODs there.

Let the opinions continue!

[poker]

Originally Posted by ahc4353

Let the opinions continue!

Is that your opinion or are you bashing the idea of allowing opinions?

Originally Posted by poker

Is that your opinion or are you bashing the idea of allowing opinions?

You should know, you're a MOD for Christs sake!

[poker]

Originally Posted by ahc4353

You should know, you're a MOD for Christs sake!

Wrong.
im not just any mod, but a mod that has been specially assigned just to watch you.

[DrDubzz]

I only started this thread as an alert, that our old home was finally being dismantled for the new edition.

I will continue to participate in the pipe forum over there, but that will be the extent of it. Unless I can get those people to join over here

in any case, keep sharing, gotta get it all out, and move on

[md4958]

Originally Posted by ahc4353

Since CA was started it was asked by the 11 not to get into any type of CS negativity. I felt this thread could head that way. My comment was meant to have guys think before posting. That was all. I should of not said anything as I am not a MOD. I apologize for that.

I clearly don't have the wisdom to know what is opinion and what is bashing. Case in point, I had posted some of MY opinions in my later days of CS to have them deemed bashing by the new MODs there.

Let the opinions continue!

its ok Al, its Monday and we know you arent in the right state of mind... plus, nobody listens to you anyway

[KidRock]

it is sad to say goodbye to an old friend but the new forum that was created is just great....Especially that cranky old guy named Al Just kiddin

[DBall]

Originally Posted by KidRock

Especially that cranky old guy named Al Just kiddin

Of course you're kidding. Al sucks.

Sorry, it's Monday!!!