Should Penn State get the Death Penalty?

[Starscream]

Originally Posted by smitty81

I see what your getting at but leaving those wins there does nothing but glorify the school, players and coaches.

Then put an asterisk by those wins.

Should we then take away all of the Giants' wins b/c Barry cheated while playing for them?

[smitty81]

Originally Posted by Starscream

Then put an asterisk by those wins.

Should we then take away all of the Giants' wins b/c Barry cheated while playing for them?

I dunno, it's a gray area.

I could go either way on that one really.

[Starscream]

Originally Posted by smitty81

I dunno, it's a gray area.

I could go either way on that one really.

That's how I feel about the Penn State issue.

[smitty81]

Originally Posted by Starscream

That's how I feel about the Penn State issue.

But with Penn state, your talking about something MUCH MUCH bigger with many more people involved.

Not just one bad player.

I probably wouldn't go as far as to take the Giants wins away but I would for sure take bonds out of the record books.

Would they of won without Bonds...........doubt it.

Would Penn St. of won without Paterno...........who's to say?

But your talking about the COACH and many other people that contributed to all the wins, not one good player.

[Starscream]

Originally Posted by smitty81

But with Penn state, your talking about something MUCH MUCH bigger with many more people involved.

Not just one bad player.

I probably wouldn't go as far as to take the Giants wins away but I would for sure take bonds out of the record books.

Would they of won without Bonds...........doubt it.

Would Penn St. of won without Paterno...........who's to say?

But your talking about the COACH and many other people that contributed to all the wins, not one good player.

And many players who had no knowledge of what was going on either.

[smitty81]

Originally Posted by Starscream

And many players who had no knowledge of what was going on either.

It is what it is. Sucks for the players but it's fair IMOP.

Your entitled to your own opinion and I can see that we are not going to agree on this so I will just leave it at that.

[Taki]

Originally Posted by smitty81

I dunno, it's a gray area.

I could go either way on that one really.

Just catching up but it sounds like you are going both ways if the hole Bonds issue was even remotely involved or related. You say you wouldnt throw out the wins of the Giants even though all those years they cheated, clearly broke the rules of the league but the football players for all those years did not cheat or did nothing wrong / broke no rules. It was the higher ups that covered it up and threw everything under the rug. I do not agree at all with what Penn State did but to punish the players that had nothing to do with it pisses me off a little, and then to go ahead and punish all the future players...hell they should have just given PSU the death penalty and finned them the $60M...IMO

[BigAsh]

I'm a life-long PSU/JoePa fan...grew up with it..been to many a game in Happy Valley...that being said, I think what the NCAA did was to send a message, LOUD and CLEAR...protect kids, regardless of any "effect on the program"...stripping the past wins, etc are symbolic gestures, and I think aimed directly at the (former) all-times wins leader, Joe...the bowl ban, scholarship loss and those things are to invoke a culture change....crippling the program will ensure that football is no longer king

[forgop]

Originally Posted by BigAsh

I'm a life-long PSU/JoePa fan...grew up with it..been to many a game in Happy Valley...that being said, I think what the NCAA did was to send a message, LOUD and CLEAR...protect kids, regardless of any "effect on the program"...stripping the past wins, etc are symbolic gestures, and I think aimed directly at the (former) all-times wins leader, Joe...the bowl ban, scholarship loss and those things are to invoke a culture change....crippling the program will ensure that football is no longer king

Very well said.

It would have never come down to this if the school president, BoD, AD, and JoePa acted in a way to protect the children rather than their own behinds first and foremost. They were more concerned with PSU's prestige and allowing Sandusky to prey on kids on their campus than to report it to the police.

[Blueface]

Originally Posted by Starscream

Then put an asterisk by those wins.

Should we then take away all of the Giants' wins b/c Barry cheated while playing for them?

Not even closely related analogy in my mind. But yes, if the Giants knew he was on cheating steroids, take it away from them and you will send a clear message to all of baseball.

As for the asterisk, do they leave Penn's record as is, with an asterisk leading to a footnote saying "these wins took place while an assistant coach molested children of which he was ultimately convicted of 45 counts and all along, while he was doing that, everyone of authority, that could have and should have brought it to the attention of the authorities, looked the other way, sort of like this symbol "

[Starscream]

Originally Posted by Blueface

As for the asterisk, do they leave Penn's record as is, with an asterisk leading to a footnote saying "these wins took place while an assistant coach molested children of which he was ultimately convicted of 45 counts and all along, while he was doing that, everyone of authority, that could have and should have brought it to the attention of the authorities, looked the other way, sort of like this symbol "

Exactly. Leave it up there for all to see and take note of. Bigger humiliation for those involved than just erasing the record. A modern day Faust tale for all to see what happens when you sell your soul in order to get what you want.