cigar info. please i am new to the site

FNA · 10-25-2013, 01:35 PM

Sure , everybody is entitled to an opinion, but that does not mean that theiur opinions are valid.

For instance, while saying a cigar "can be found easily" sounds like an assertion of fact and not an opinion, it is easy to see that it is neither a fact nor qa valid opinion.

I used the examle of the Graycliff, but the same is true for the Padilla - if you input these cigars into Google you will not "easily" find them for sale. As noted. neither appear listed for sale in the first 20 results on Google (which leads me to form an opinion that they will not easily be found listed for sale on subsequent pages). Even AF Anejos, called rare and hard to find by everyone selling them, can be found for sale in one page of Google results.

Thus, a statement that these cigars can be easily found is not a valid opinion because it simply is not true.

As to the "I wouldn't give $100 for that" - that statement is not meant to give the opjion that the speaker wouldn't like this humidor and cigars - the plain implication that this humidor and the cigars are not worth $100. This is despitye the facts we know - the humidor certainly is worth $75 (on sale) and if anyone has experience these branded humidors from CI, they know the boxes are in fact very nice, well sized humidors) and at least several of the cigars retail for more than $10 each and at least one can apprently only be obtained through investment in a $300 box of cigars.

It really seems unreasonable to me and misleading to the OP to imply that $75 worth of humidor, several valuable (i.e. $10 and up) cigars and 95 or so other cigars is not worth $100.

A little side comment on the Burberry - any one that can say a triple wrapped in a plaid pattern perfecto is not a rare cigar might want to pull out a Websters and look under "R". Really, not rare? Where can I get one today or a competing plaid, triple-wrapped perfecto that has been made over the years.

I made my comments because to me (yes, an opinion) the responses to this thread seemed to be mainly concerned with telling the OP what a rube he is for being interested in this deal. I mean come on - the photos were staged to hide something?

I saw no "bundlers in the photos. Why don't we go onthe assumption that there are not bundlers there, not that the seller is looking to cheat the buyer?

$1,000 is a lot of money. Pick any three humidors and 500 cigars that you own (no bundlers). Include some $10 cigars and some "not hard to find" cigars like say the Burberries or something else that you'd be willing to pay $3 for (if they could actually be bought today and despite the fact that they sold for more than twice that when available several years ago). So are your three humidors and 500 cigars worth $1,000?

icehog3 · 10-25-2013, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by FNA

if anyone has experience these branded humidors from CI, they know the boxes are in fact very nice

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Originally Posted by FNA

Sure , everybody is entitled to an opinion, but that does not mean that theiur opinions are valid.

At last, we agree on something.

If you think it's such a great deal, why don't YOU buy it?

357 · 10-25-2013, 06:09 PM

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At last, we agree on something.

If you think it's such a great deal, why don't YOU buy it?

Cause he alresdy has it Tom, he's the seller.

pnoon · 10-25-2013, 11:03 PM

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Cause he alresdy has it Tom, he's the seller.

Do we know that for certain? Or is it conjecture?
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AdamJoshua · 10-25-2013, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by pnoon

Do we know that for certain? Or is it conjecture?
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I thought it myself due to the seemingly defensive post, but am going to have to go with conjecture.

Hmm $1000 worth of HU half coronas ... that certainly would go with a lot of great morning cups of coffee, might even have one to spare for Tom

icehog3 · 10-25-2013, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by AdamJoshua

I thought it myself due to the seemingly defensive post, but am going to have to go with conjecture.

Hmm $1000 worth of HU half coronas ... that certainly would go with a lot of great morning cups of coffee, might even have one to spare for Tom

10-25-2013, 01:35 PM	#1
FNA Just in from the Storm Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 23 Trading: (0)	Re: cigar info. please i am new to the site Sure , everybody is entitled to an opinion, but that does not mean that theiur opinions are valid. For instance, while saying a cigar "can be found easily" sounds like an assertion of fact and not an opinion, it is easy to see that it is neither a fact nor qa valid opinion. I used the examle of the Graycliff, but the same is true for the Padilla - if you input these cigars into Google you will not "easily" find them for sale. As noted. neither appear listed for sale in the first 20 results on Google (which leads me to form an opinion that they will not easily be found listed for sale on subsequent pages). Even AF Anejos, called rare and hard to find by everyone selling them, can be found for sale in one page of Google results. Thus, a statement that these cigars can be easily found is not a valid opinion because it simply is not true. As to the "I wouldn't give $100 for that" - that statement is not meant to give the opjion that the speaker wouldn't like this humidor and cigars - the plain implication that this humidor and the cigars are not worth $100. This is despitye the facts we know - the humidor certainly is worth $75 (on sale) and if anyone has experience these branded humidors from CI, they know the boxes are in fact very nice, well sized humidors) and at least several of the cigars retail for more than $10 each and at least one can apprently only be obtained through investment in a $300 box of cigars. It really seems unreasonable to me and misleading to the OP to imply that $75 worth of humidor, several valuable (i.e. $10 and up) cigars and 95 or so other cigars is not worth $100. A little side comment on the Burberry - any one that can say a triple wrapped in a plaid pattern perfecto is not a rare cigar might want to pull out a Websters and look under "R". Really, not rare? Where can I get one today or a competing plaid, triple-wrapped perfecto that has been made over the years. I made my comments because to me (yes, an opinion) the responses to this thread seemed to be mainly concerned with telling the OP what a rube he is for being interested in this deal. I mean come on - the photos were staged to hide something? I saw no "bundlers in the photos. Why don't we go onthe assumption that there are not bundlers there, not that the seller is looking to cheat the buyer? $1,000 is a lot of money. Pick any three humidors and 500 cigars that you own (no bundlers). Include some $10 cigars and some "not hard to find" cigars like say the Burberries or something else that you'd be willing to pay $3 for (if they could actually be bought today and despite the fact that they sold for more than twice that when available several years ago). So are your three humidors and 500 cigars worth $1,000?