Mikes Cigars loses Oliva.

GrtndpwrflOZ · 02-24-2009, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SixPackSunday

thats awesome. can i give them RG?

Whom? Mike's Cigars or Oliva?

"THAT'S AWESOME" ????? Yeah, if you're a retailer.

If you could find smokes for close to 1/2 the MSRP wouldn't you think it's AWESOME?

Yazzie · 02-24-2009, 01:25 PM

Really, If I can get my V's at 1/2 price then that's a good deal for me. I'm not all that concerned with the B&M's

NCRadioMan · 02-24-2009, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Yazzie

Really, If I can get my V's at 1/2 price then that's a good deal for me. I'm not all that concerned with the B&M's

That's very selfish of you.

I, for one, am glad this can happen because it helps protect my job.

doctorcue · 02-24-2009, 03:52 PM

I do think that manufacturers have the right to protect their brand. If one place sells WAY cheap it devalues their line. Also, I'm sure there was a contractual price when Mike's started carrying the Oliva line.

Chalk this up as a win for B&Ms everywhere. I don't mind paying more for smokes; this is a luxury. I don't NEED cigars; I choose to smoke them.

GWN · 02-24-2009, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by doctorcue

I do think that manufacturers have the right to protect their brand. If one place sells WAY cheap it devalues their line. Also, I'm sure there was a contractual price when Mike's started carrying the Oliva line.

Chalk this up as a win for B&Ms everywhere. I don't mind paying more for smokes; this is a luxury. I don't NEED cigars; I choose to smoke them.

It's not unique to the cigar industry. Apple has always done this.

elderboy02 · 02-24-2009, 10:43 PM

Very interesting

TripleF · 02-25-2009, 07:46 AM

from Yazzie:

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Really, If I can get my V's at 1/2 price then that's a good deal for me. I'm not all that concerned with the B&M's

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

That's very selfish of you.

I, for one, am glad this can happen because it helps protect my job.

My thoughts exactly.

02-25-2009, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

That's very selfish of you.

I, for one, am glad this can happen because it helps protect my job.

And mine as well. Thanks NCRadioMan!

Pat1075 · 02-25-2009, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

That's very selfish of you.

I, for one, am glad this can happen because it helps protect my job.

Here Here. Thank you.

02-25-2009, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Yazzie

Really, If I can get my V's at 1/2 price then that's a good deal for me. I'm not all that concerned with the B&M's

You should be concerned. There is a reason that these contracts exist and the cigar makers make cigars that are not to be sold on the internet. And its not that they feel sorry for the poor local B&M guy. Its financial. They need the locals to stay in business its a huge part of their revenue. I understand you personally probably have no local to go to or there is a bunch of a-hole snobs at your local. But prices would skyrocket or many makers would just fold without the locals.

Volusianator · 02-25-2009, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by yazzie

really, if i can get my v's at 1/2 price then that's a good deal for me. I'm not all that concerned with the b&m's

wow

02-25-2009, 11:24 AM

Now, just for discussion sake....I would like to add a few "thoughts"

How would one presume the industry will be affected by:

1) Online forums such as this....where much of the "cigar socialization" is occuring

2) Smoking by-laws that prohibit the use of tobacco products in public places (including B&Ms)

3) Increasing taxation on physical B&M stock

4) the Economic Downturn and how it affects sales of luxery items

5) The frequent witness of poor conditions in B&Ms (now this is largely speculation....the last 3 B&Ms I was at [from a total of 5] had a majority of the product affected by mold.

I love the concept of market protectionism....I think everyone's livelihood should be protected. But, at some point, the "turning tide" should probably be addressed. Maybe the B&M will have to re-invent itself if it wants to survive. At some point, customers shouldn't be expected to bouy up a failing market paradigm in order to artificially resuscitate it....when a superior model, more in keeping with the new world reality, exists.

Just my 2 cents

(This post would work equally well in the current B&M vs Internet thread as well)

Cyanide

02-24-2009, 01:25 PM	#2
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02-24-2009, 03:52 PM	#4
doctorcue BABOTL - VP of Drinking Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Danny Location: Rancho Cordova, CA Posts: 331 Trading: (2)	Re: Mikes Cigars loses Oliva. I do think that manufacturers have the right to protect their brand. If one place sells WAY cheap it devalues their line. Also, I'm sure there was a contractual price when Mike's started carrying the Oliva line. Chalk this up as a win for B&Ms everywhere. I don't mind paying more for smokes; this is a luxury. I don't NEED cigars; I choose to smoke them. __________________ Raiders, A's, Warriors.

02-24-2009, 10:43 PM	#6
elderboy02 Lets Go Buckeyes! Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Dan Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 12,521 Trading: (133)	Re: Mikes Cigars loses Oliva. Very interesting

02-25-2009, 11:24 AM	#12
Cyanide Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Mikes Cigars loses Oliva. Now, just for discussion sake....I would like to add a few "thoughts" How would one presume the industry will be affected by: 1) Online forums such as this....where much of the "cigar socialization" is occuring 2) Smoking by-laws that prohibit the use of tobacco products in public places (including B&Ms) 3) Increasing taxation on physical B&M stock 4) the Economic Downturn and how it affects sales of luxery items 5) The frequent witness of poor conditions in B&Ms (now this is largely speculation....the last 3 B&Ms I was at [from a total of 5] had a majority of the product affected by mold. I love the concept of market protectionism....I think everyone's livelihood should be protected. But, at some point, the "turning tide" should probably be addressed. Maybe the B&M will have to re-invent itself if it wants to survive. At some point, customers shouldn't be expected to bouy up a failing market paradigm in order to artificially resuscitate it....when a superior model, more in keeping with the new world reality, exists. Just my 2 cents (This post would work equally well in the current B&M vs Internet thread as well) Cyanide