H.R. 45 firearm registration bill

[Silound]

I'm all for a more thorough registration and sale system, I'm not for paying for it with my taxes.

Honestly, it should have been mandated a long time ago that to own a firearm you must also have an up-to-date state/federal registration in your name for the firearm you own. Nothing more than what we do now with license plates for cars. Just to prevent people from skirting through loopholes in laws that the special advocate groups insist on so that Billy-Bob in Texarkana, who's recently paroled on manslaughter charge, can somehow acquire a firearm (simply because it's his right to own one, even if he legally can't possess or purchase one as a felon) from some random guy who could legally buy one and didn't know Billy-Bob was a convicted felon.


Edit to add that I'm not a gun-control nut by any means. I have many firearms, and while I don't want Uncle Sam looking over my shoulder and telling me what I can and cannot do with them, I'd prefer to share that information with the government to prevent some people from obtaining firearms for reasons that are no good.

[Thrak]

Originally Posted by Silound

so that Billy-Bob in Texarkana, who's recently paroled on manslaughter charge, can somehow acquire a firearm (simply because it's his right to own one, even if he legally can't possess or purchase one as a felon) from some random guy who could legally buy one and didn't know Billy-Bob was a convicted felon.

Thats already illegal, we dont need more laws to make it "more" illegal. Its called a straw purchase.

[Silound]

Originally Posted by Thrak

Thats already illegal, we dont need more laws to make it "more" illegal. Its called a straw purchase.

It's already illegal, but there's no safeguards. If the seller and Billy-Bob had to go fill out the paperwork and register it, it would come to the attention of the seller that Billy-Bob can't legally own a firearm. Sale prevented, and the seller doesn't assume any legal responsibility.


It's not a law to make it "more illegal", it's needing to put in safeguards that enforce the current laws better.

[BigAl_SC]

Originally Posted by Silound

It's already illegal, but there's no safeguards. If the seller and Billy-Bob had to go fill out the paperwork and register it, it would come to the attention of the seller that Billy-Bob can't legally own a firearm. Sale prevented, and the seller doesn't assume any legal responsibility.


It's not a law to make it "more illegal", it's needing to put in safeguards that enforce the current laws better.

I understand your point. Your assuming that Billy-Bob, being the scum he is, wouldn't just steal a gun or purchase a stolen one.

This brings us back to my original thesis that this is just a front to get the legal guns registered so that someday they say 'This registration is not working to get the guns away from the crooks. Lets confiscate all of the registered ones.'

This law does not affect the criminals at all. Only lets the government know where the legal ones are at.

[Silound]

Very good point about him being scum


I just don't see how, under any circumstances, the government will ever be able to take away legally registered guns. Look what hell the automatic weapons ban went through to pass, and they're still legal if they were manufactured before a certain year (84 I think?), which a large number were indeed.

God forbid anyone tried to outlaw guns, we'd have another War of Northern Aggression (another Civil War for those who never heard that joke ).

[BigAl_SC]

Originally Posted by Silound

I just don't see how, under any circumstances, the government will ever be able to take away legally registered guns.

1930's Germany, Those that didn't support the government, lost their weapons. Who would have believed the things congress has done in the last 12 months, back in 1982. Please don't let this get political. Its against the rules......

Originally Posted by Silound

God forbid anyone tried to outlaw guns, we'd have another War of Northern Aggression

Being from South Carolina, I appreciate you using the correct name.

[MarkinAZ]

Originally Posted by BigAl_SC

1930's Germany, Those that didn't support the government, lost their weapons.

That's absolutely correct and a part of history that may have been white washed from our childrens school cirriculum. In Nazi Germany, it was gun registration, gun confiscation, and then the round-up and extermination of the Jewish people...

[M1903A1]

Originally Posted by Silound

I just don't see how, under any circumstances, the government will ever be able to take away legally registered guns. Look what hell the automatic weapons ban went through to pass, and they're still legal if they were manufactured before a certain year (84 I think?), which a large number were indeed.

The "automatic weapons ban" was passed on a voice vote (of questionable legality) as part of an overall pro-gun package in 1986. Anything that was registered with the ATF before May 19, 1986 (the day the bill became law) is still legal and transferable (with prices to match).

The so-called "assault weapon ban" was a whole 'nother matter and revolved around physical characteristics (bayonet lugs, magazine capacities etc.) that really had very little to do with how potentially lethal a given gun was.

Another reason why I don't like the idea of registration is...suppose somebody gets hold of part of the registry? That would be an easy way for anybody with a mind towards stealing something to "go where the pickin's are".

[taltos]

Keep in mind that the British tried to disarm subjects in the Colonies whose loyalty to the crown was questionable. This is why in New England there were huge caches of weapons around Lexington and Concord. The British also tried to disarm the Irish and the Indians when attempting to subjugate them.

Registration equals easier disarmament of law abiding citizens. That is the step taken before the suspension of the Constitution and whoever is President installing themself as dictator. This is why the Second Amendment is so important.