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[Ken]

Originally Posted by BlackDog

I don't know much about UFC, but living here in Minneapolis I've been hearing a lot about Lesnar. As you know, he was a top notch wrestler at the U of M. How come he is so vilified by most UFC fans?

People have hated Lesnar since he walked into the UFC with only 1 fight under his belt, lost 1, won 1, and they feel he was given a free ticket to a title match. Though, he took the title and just demolished a "highly" skilled BJ guy to defend his title and avenge his 1st UFC loss.

I'm just happy to see not everyone has to freakin' hug after the fight.

[goalie204]

Originally Posted by Ken

People have hated Lesnar since he walked into the UFC with only 1 fight under his belt, lost 1, won 1, and they feel he was given a free ticket to a title match. Though, he took the title and just demolished a "highly" skilled BJ guy to defend his title and avenge his 1st UFC loss.

I'm just happy to see not everyone has to freakin' hug after the fight.

I didn't hate lesner until after he was an ass after his match with herring, after his match with mir. ya he's strong, he's also what, 40 lbs heavier than mir, laying on him with his football field of a chest? Some skill, some lying there. Screw lesnar, piece of ****.

[Comicbookfreak]

Originally Posted by Ken

People have hated Lesnar since he walked into the UFC with only 1 fight under his belt, lost 1, won 1, and they feel he was given a free ticket to a title match. Though, he took the title and just demolished a "highly" skilled BJ guy to defend his title and avenge his 1st UFC loss.

I'm just happy to see not everyone has to freakin' hug after the fight.

Exactly Ken. You go in there to war and to beat the chit outta the other guy. Screw the other guy no matter who it is. Specially with all the crap Mir was talking. It's a fight not a ballet. Why would anyone wanna hug the guy that just tried to put his fist thru your face?? Someone mentioned earlier About Ali talking crap in boxing and he is the greatest boxer of all time. Or say a Floyd Mayweather Jr. Heck Tyson wanted to eat Lennox's children lol. If you can back it up it ain't talking crap it's the truth.

Originally Posted by goalie204

I didn't hate lesner until after he was an ass after his match with herring, after his match with mir. ya he's strong, he's also what, 40 lbs heavier than mir, laying on him with his football field of a chest? Some skill, some lying there. Screw lesnar, piece of ****.

So you don't like him cause he roped the cowboy after the fight. But you like Silva who dances after a win. What's the difference??? Then you complain about Lesnar being 40lbs bigger. He made weight didn't he?? Size doesn't always mean everything look at Royce in his prime he schooled many men larger than he is. Fedor beats men bigger than he is too. And if you question his skill then that is a joke he has World Class wrestling skills. Like Zakk Wylde says, "Ain't it funny what the color green will make people do." Admit it Goalie you got a man crush on Brock.

[goalie204]

Originally Posted by Comicbookfreak

Exactly Ken. You go in there to war and to beat the chit outta the other guy. Screw the other guy no matter who it is. Specially with all the crap Mir was talking. It's a fight not a ballet. Why would anyone wanna hug the guy that just tried to put his fist thru your face?? Someone mentioned earlier About Ali talking crap in boxing and he is the greatest boxer of all time. Or say a Floyd Mayweather Jr. Heck Tyson wanted to eat Lennox's children lol. If you can back it up it ain't talking crap it's the truth.



So you don't like him cause he roped the cowboy after the fight. But you like Silva who dances after a win. What's the difference??? Then you complain about Lesnar being 40lbs bigger. He made weight didn't he?? Size doesn't always mean everything look at Royce in his prime he schooled many men larger than he is. Fedor beats men bigger than he is too. And if you question his skill then that is a joke he has World Class wrestling skills. Like Zakk Wylde says, "Ain't it funny what the color green will make people do." Admit it Goalie you got a man crush on Brock.

wow

[Ken]

Originally Posted by goalie204

ya he's strong, he's also what, 40 lbs heavier than mir, laying on him with his football field of a chest? Some skill, some lying there. Screw lesnar, piece of ****.

I'll definitely have more tact in my post than Lesnar did in the post fight interview.

Let's talk HW's. The HW division is for big guys who can't/won't cut 205. I believe the UFC goes up to 265. There are a number of fighters who are 240 and under. Only a few at 260+, one being Shane Carwin. If any of these other HW's feel they do not possess the ability to fight a bigger guy then they need to start dropping weight. Because Carwin is on his way up and others well be flooding in after TUF 10.

Let's talk weight. I can personally tell you that weight does help though it isn't that advantageous over skill and ability. Each week I wrestle guys any where from 40lbs heavier to 40lbs lighter and none of them are easy to keep down. Lesnar is a top notch wrestler who is an ace in the game of takedowns and control. That is skill and not just weight holding him down. And if Mir can not deal with an extra 20lbs on a no-skilled chump then he pretty much sucks himself. Weight is nice to have over someone, but if you don't bring anything else to the table your toast.

And "Some skill, some lying there.". Did you watch the fight? In the 1st round he pretty much had Mir in a crucifix with only using one arm. Lesnar's arms are long enough and strong enough to pull something like that off. And it took training and knowledge to pull off such a move. Then the subtle things like getting your legs into position to control the ground, passing the guard, and subs. Not understanging this leaving you open for legs locks or being easily swept by your opponent.
I thought that taking your opponent down and beating the snot out of them was actually called ground-n-pound. Because this is what Lesnar employed. He easily took Mir down, controlled the top in side mount, gained position by showing patience, and then beat the tar out him.
Lastly, at the beginning of the match Mir tried a toss, stuffed, then transitioned to a knee bar, and was stuffed again. I'm beside myself as to how anyone could watch this and say that Lesnar showed no skill.

He can't take a punch either!

I never watched this guy in WWE, though I wanted to see him do well in the UFC. But now, to spite everyone else and piss them off I'm an official Brock nut hugger. He's my new BBF. (I'm not sure what a BBF is but my neice says is means everything.)

I respect the skill that Brock used to beat Mir, he was better, he won. Mir is a BJJ black belt, and even he knew he made some mistakes. Lesnar is a strong and skilled wrestler...and he can hit. There have been many champions in the UFC with those credentials.

What I do not respect is continuing to go after him (Mir) verbally after the fight, I don't respect the way he conducted himself in the interview with Joe. If this does not bother you, that's fine with me, but is shows incredibly poor sportsmanship, and a complete lack of respect for his opponent, the organization and the fans (or at least some of them).

Speaking for myself I don't hate Brock, I don't think he is the downfall of UFC...he just happens to be a fighter I don't care for. There are enough other guys who are drawing lots of people to the UFC who I do like. If Brock does it for you, good for you.

[BengalMan]

Originally Posted by LordOfWu

I respect the skill that Brock used to beat Mir, he was better, he won. Mir is a BJJ black belt, and even he knew he made some mistakes. Lesnar is a strong and skilled wrestler...and he can hit. There have been many champions in the UFC with those credentials.

What I do not respect is continuing to go after him (Mir) verbally after the fight, I don't respect the way he conducted himself in the interview with Joe. If this does not bother you, that's fine with me, but is shows incredibly poor sportsmanship, and a complete lack of respect for his opponent, the organization and the fans (or at least some of them).

Speaking for myself I don't hate Brock, I don't think he is the downfall of UFC...he just happens to be a fighter I don't care for. There are enough other guys who are drawing lots of people to the UFC who I do like. If Brock does it for you, good for you.

[Ken]

Originally Posted by LordOfWu

What I do not respect is continuing to go after him (Mir) verbally after the fight, I don't respect the way he conducted himself in the interview with Joe.

Mir talked a lot of trash I think he got what was well deserved. I also believe that with more maturity in the business Brock's interview demeanor will change. Though I don't think he will nor would I want to see him become some PC nancyass tip toeing around as to not offend anyone.

[goalie204]

Originally Posted by LordOfWu

I respect the skill that Brock used to beat Mir, he was better, he won. Mir is a BJJ black belt, and even he knew he made some mistakes. Lesnar is a strong and skilled wrestler...and he can hit. There have been many champions in the UFC with those credentials.

What I do not respect is continuing to go after him (Mir) verbally after the fight, I don't respect the way he conducted himself in the interview with Joe. If this does not bother you, that's fine with me, but is shows incredibly poor sportsmanship, and a complete lack of respect for his opponent, the organization and the fans (or at least some of them).

[NCRadioMan]

Originally Posted by LordOfWu

but is shows incredibly poor sportsmanship, and a complete lack of respect for his opponent, the organization and the fans (or at least some of them).

In your opinion. Besides he has been saying since he lost that he has no respect for Mir. And I'm sure Dana was doing cartwheels about all this because it's the first time that the UFC was a major story on ESPN and other outlets for 4-5 days after the event. (they never mentioned Brocks antics after the fight either) There is no such thing as bad publicity. Hell, we're still talking about it.

If anybody hates him, they are feeding right out of his and Dana's hands. That's exactly the way they want you to feel. More people will buy the ppv's just to root against him. Every sport needs a good villain.

The most "classless", if you want to label somebody that, person in UFC history is Dana White. Read his interviews and he calls out other organizations and labels them losers all the time using the F bomb liberally. It gets him noticed and that's what it is all about.

And don't even talk about class and Rampage.

First, the running from the cops thing and now this:

http://www.break.com/cage-potato/ram...-reporter.html
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...son/index.html

Traina: Has he apologized since then?
Nichols: No, not at all. He was very, very pleased with himself.

[ActionAndy]

Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

In your opinion. Besides he has been saying since he lost that he has no respect for Mir. And I'm sure Dana was doing cartwheels about all this because it's the first time that the UFC was a major story on ESPN and other outlets for 4-5 days after the event. (they never mentioned Brocks antics after the fight either) There is no such thing as bad publicity. Hell, we're still talking about it.

If anybody hates him, they are feeding right out of his and Dana's hands. That's exactly the way they want you to feel. More people will buy the ppv's just to root against him. Every sport needs a good villain.

The most "classless", if you want to label somebody that, person in UFC history is Dana White. Read his interviews and he calls out other organizations and labels them losers all the time using the F bomb liberally. It gets him noticed and that's what it is all about.

And don't even talk about class and Rampage.

First, the running from the cops thing and now this:

http://www.break.com/cage-potato/ram...-reporter.html
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...son/index.html

Traina: Has he apologized since then?
Nichols: No, not at all. He was very, very pleased with himself.

He's the guy that always talks about how this isn't boxing...And acts just like a silly boxing promoter. Have you seen the cover of that new magazine, where he's throwing fists at the camera? Yeah, you're a hard ass Dana!

I also despise the fact that he talks down fighters that he can't land. He tries saying things like Fedor's overrated in one breath, and in the next he's desparately trying to make a deal with him?

[Starscream]

Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

And don't even talk about class and Rampage.

First, the running from the cops thing and now this:

http://www.break.com/cage-potato/ram...-reporter.html
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...son/index.html

Traina: Has he apologized since then?
Nichols: No, not at all. He was very, very pleased with himself.

This is why I called Jackson a douchebag in my earlier post.