Pete Rose, 20 years later...HOF or not?

[galaga]

Originally Posted by joed

I think that he should be let in the day after his ban expires! I wouldn't lift the ban which was set for "life" not forever.

I agree....

The rules are supposedly posted in every club house since the Black Sox scandal. He walked by them every day. I have trouble putting up with liars...

[BigAsh]

4,000 + reasons he should be in the HOF.....YES!

[St. Lou Stu]

I voted that he should be in the HOF.

However, if he is voted in that sets a very sad precedence for the jackasses who took every drug and hormone they could get their hands on just to be something that they never would have been without CHEATING.

The dudes who take drugs and hormones shouldn't be allowed. Period.
Hard work Talent, and Hustle is what make you a Hall of Famer. Not Science.

Pete had all of that, unfortunately he did break rules that shouldn't be bent for anyone.
If ya bend the rules for someone, ya got to do it for everyone.

Sad, but true.

It woulda been nice if he didn't get caught.

the discussion on the steriod users is interesting when talking about the hall of fame. The owners and commissioners had to know it was happening - just look at the players - and they chose to stick their heads in the sand and let it continue. When folks got caught, they are all up in arms. I just don't know.

And now talk about how all of the baseball world talks about pitch count - are there any modern era pitchers that should be put in the hall of fame? My thought is no - Guys like Nolan Ryan, Catfish Hunter and Sandy Koufax threw more complete games in one season than the most dominate pitcher today will have in his career! Figure that one out if you can.

[MedicCook]

Actually 4 things Andy. Marge Schott.

In, no question.

[gorob23]

No!

great player but let's try and keep high standards SOMEWHERE!

Rob

[TheTraveler]

Originally Posted by gorob23

No!

great player but let's try and keep high standards SOMEWHERE!

Rob

I feel sympathy for the guy. I've got weaknesses and I've done things that run the gamut from "silly" to "stupid" to "hey, that guy needs his a$$ whipped for that sh%t". However, I do believe that standards need to be met - we shouldn't lower standards to help people meet them.

He was a great player and his record speaks for itself. If I had a vote I'd vote for a literal interpretation of the "lifetime" ban and allow them to vote on his admission posthumously.

Sorry Pete, you were great, but you screwed the pooch. rug

if they let vick back in the NFL after what he did, Rose's offences pale to compare. LET HIM IN!

[The Poet]

There is no doubt there are a number of jerks and @$$holes already in the HOF. There is also no doubt that Pete Rose had the numbers to warrant first-ballot selection. However, rules are rules. If the rules are changed to satisfy Rose, or his fans, then why should not rules be changed to suit other violators, whatever they may be guilty of? Do you really want to open that door?

Did Pete Rose earn a spot in the HOF on the field? Yes. Did Pete Rose lose that right due to his actions? Yes. Should he be in the Hall? If you are willing to change the rules to allow others entry, past or future, no matter what their crime, then vote yes - otherwise, vote no. I vote no.

As for steroid use, it is and was definitely cheating - but until quite recently, it was not against the rules as written. Is this fair? Probably not, but that's the fact. Like it, hate it, whatever - unless this violation is grandfathered in, you have no choice but to accept it. As always, just

[MedicCook]

What about all the players from the 60's on who used the geenies? They could be considered PED and they were also illegal.

Back on topic though. I still think Rose should be part of the HOF for his playing career. He was retired from baseball as a player. What about someone who was in the HOF as a player already and was now involved in baseball and had the same issue? Should he have is HOF status taken away?

[vankleekkw]

As far as Shoeless goes, he was dumber than a box of rocks. He had one of the greatest series of all times and he is still not allowed in the Hall. BS if you ask me.

However, I think that the steriod era of the late 90's/ early 00's should be in the HOF. This was the single thing that pulled Baseball out of the crapper. Everyone remembers the 5000 or less fans in the stadiums until McGwire/ Sosa race. EVERYONE knew they were juiced, but no one cared because the fans were flocking back into the stadiums.

[Gophernut]

Pete did apologize for betting on baseball, just not as sincerely as people would have liked. I loved watching Pete play the game. How many doubles did he get out of singles that he hustled on? The 44 game hit streak. He was one of the best players of all time. That is what he should be in the hall for.
Granted he was lying at the time, but I still like the way he made Jim Gray look like an a$$hat.

Let's not forget that he was also voted onto the all century team. One of only 30 players on that list. That list came out after his ban.

[gettysburgfreak]

Personally based on his credentials as a ball player I 100% think the guy belongs in the hall. He was one hell of a baseball player who played the game the way it was meant to be played-balls to the wall, you go hard on every play. Now having said that I have met the guy and hes a prick.

I was in Cooperstown a number of years ago with my dad and we were coming out of a restroom of the shop where Rose signs stuff every year at the hall of fame inductions and he was right outside the door kind of hanging out. I was probably 16 or so at the time and asked him if he would sign a baseball I had in my pocket. He said to me "do you have a ticket?" I asked him what for and his response was "if you don't have a ticket I won't sign anything" Well the ticket was for 40 bucks to get a ball signed later in the day.

[vankleekkw]

The worst I saw was Scottie Pippin, the azzhat. walked past all the kids, looked at a handicapped kid in a wheelchair, and said "I dont do autographs".
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[shilala]

Originally Posted by vankleekkw

The worst I saw was Scottie Pippin, the azzhat. walked past all the kids, looked at a handicapped kid in a wheelchair, and said "I dont do autographs".
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You should consider yourself to have never been graced by Barry Bonds.
I had the privelage to meet him on a number of occasions.
I'm not sure what a$$hole college he went to, but he definately finished at the top of his class.

[vankleekkw]

I think it is Cali players. I had Bud Black tell me he didnt know how to sign. My dad then asked him how he signed his paycheck. He flicked us off and went to the dugout getting booed.
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[mojo65]

IN for his play on the field.

[BlackDog]

I think this may help put the matter in some kind of perspective.

There is only one rule in regards to criteria for membership in the Baseball HOF, and that is Rule Five:

Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played

Link - HOF Rules

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by BlackDog

I think this may help put the matter in some kind of perspective.

There is only one rule in regards to criteria for membership in the Baseball HOF, and that is Rule Five:

Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played

Link - HOF Rules

It really doesn't though, because there are many HOF'ers with what I would consider questionable character or integrity.