NHL '09 - '10 Thread

Gotta keep your head up and chin strap tight!

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[icehog3]

Originally Posted by ahc4353

Gotta keep your head up and chin strap tight!

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Monster Hit!

Wild seeing Theo Fleury back in the NHL...he scored the only shootout goal to win the game.

[Prefy]

Originally Posted by ahc4353

Gotta keep your head up and chin strap tight!

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Don't like seeing guys get hurt but I'm sure he has learnt his lesson about cutting across the middle with his head down especially when a guy like Paneuf is on the ice.

What I don't like is that it seems now a days in the NHL even when there is a good hit(I don't think he left his feet) the other team feels the need to start a line brawl or go after the guy that laid the hit(coming of the bench WTF!!!). Back in the day the other team would have kept it in their back of their mind and used it to fire the team up and get even at a later point in time.

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by Prefy

Don't like seeing guys get hurt but I'm sure he has learnt his lesson about cutting across the middle with his head down especially when a guy like Paneuf is on the ice.

What I don't like is that it seems now a days in the NHL even when there is a good hit(I don't think he left his feet) the other team feels the need to start a line brawl or go after the guy that laid the hit(coming of the bench WTF!!!). Back in the day the other team would have kept it in their back of their mind and used it to fire the team up and get even at a later point in time.

That kid will get 10 games for coming off the bench.

Matt, back in the day they may have done what you suggest...but WAY back in the day, there would have been a bench clearing brawl....happened about once a week in the 70s. Glad that the NHL has moved past that stage.

Originally Posted by icehog3

That kid will get 10 games for coming off the bench.

Matt, back in the day they may have done what you suggest...but WAY back in the day, there would have been a bench clearing brawl....happened about once a week in the 70s. Glad that the NHL has moved past that stage.

Might not. Watch real close, one guy was head in the door as he came over the boards. Then the guy who was leaving came back. They could claim he was just changing lines.

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by ahc4353

Might not. Watch real close, one guy was head in the door as he came over the boards. Then the guy who was leaving came back. They could claim he was just changing lines.

The kid's rep (596 PIMs last season in juniors) will not help.

Originally Posted by icehog3

The kid's rep (596 PIMs last season in juniors) will not help.

That guy spent almost 10hrs in the box!

[Ahbroody]

Originally Posted by Prefy

Don't like seeing guys get hurt but I'm sure he has learnt his lesson about cutting across the middle with his head down especially when a guy like Paneuf is on the ice.

What I don't like is that it seems now a days in the NHL even when there is a good hit(I don't think he left his feet) the other team feels the need to start a line brawl or go after the guy that laid the hit(coming of the bench WTF!!!). Back in the day the other team would have kept it in their back of their mind and used it to fire the team up and get even at a later point in time.

I would be suprised if he didnt already know not to do this seeing as how he is playing in the show and had a fairly decent year on the islanders last year. Pretty sure he knows how to play the game. That said he made a mistake and he more than payed for it. There are two sides to this for sure. He is a fairly talented player though. I am not a big Phenuf guy so my view on this is likely impacted by that. Running someone like that in pre season is bush. The games dont count and you got rookies and even some jrs players out there generally.


Change this to Phenuf destroying some jr player and ending his chances to play in the pros in preseason in a meaningless game and maybe it looks different.

Just another view. Yes it was a monster hit and a thing of beauty to watch. That said its not game 7, its a meaningless preseason game.

OOOh and Tom I love the fact that theo is back. Love that little bastage. I always though he should have been nicknamed "the little ball of hate" not pat verbeek

Originally Posted by Ahbroody

I would be suprised if he didnt already know not to do this seeing as how he is playing in the show and had a fairly decent year on the islanders last year. Pretty sure he knows how to play the game. That said he made a mistake and he more than payed for it. There are two sides to this for sure. He is a fairly talented player though. I am not a big Phenuf guy so my view on this is likely impacted by that. Running someone like that in pre season is bush. The games dont count and you got rookies and even some jrs players out there generally.


Change this to Phenuf destroying some jr player and ending his chances to play in the pros in preseason in a meaningless game and maybe it looks different.

Just another view. Yes it was a monster hit and a thing of beauty to watch. That said its not game 7, its a meaningless preseason game.

OOOh and Tom I love the fact that theo is back. Love that little bastage. I always though he should have been nicknamed "the little ball of hate" not pat verbeek

"Running" a guy and a clean hit are two completely different things in my book and as far as I can see it was clean.

If they are meaningless why play them?

I think preseason games are there for the simple reason coaches want to see how guys on the cut off "bubble" handle a real game. What if one of the Junior guys puts a hit like that on someone? His stock would rise considerably in the coach's eyes. And don't think for a second a young defensmen trying to earn a spot on a NHL roster wouldn't give his left nut to make a hit like that.

I have always told my boys (both D men) to practice like you want to play. It's part of the game and every guy that pulls that sweater over his head knows it.

Have a great weekend!

[Ahbroody]

Originally Posted by ahc4353

"Running" a guy and a clean hit are two completely different things in my book and as far as I can see it was clean.

If they are meaningless why play them?

I think preseason games are there for the simple reason coaches want to see how guys on the cut off "bubble" handle a real game. What if one of the Junior guys puts a hit like that on someone? His stock would rise considerably in the coach's eyes. And don't think for a second a young defensmen trying to earn a spot on a NHL roster wouldn't give his left nut to make a hit like that.

I have always told my boys (both D men) to practice like you want to play. It's part of the game and every guy that pulls that sweater over his head knows it.

Have a great weekend!

Clearly you are playing at words here.

You can run a guy in the course of the game and have it be clean and part of the game. Running a guy to us on the west coast comes from the phrase ran him over. That is what Phenuf did. He ran him over. The issue I was attempting to address is was that hit needed between two players who both have established spots on a squad? They dont play in the same division or even confrence. They may play once again this season, but likely not. There was no message to be sent for the regular season and the odds of them meeting in the post season are zero. The point of the hit was what? Nothing. It was Phenuf doing what Phenuf does. He injured a player which may have long term effects in a meaningless preseason game.

By meaningless we both know I meant they do not count towards stats and chances at a cup which is the whole purpose why every regualr season game and playoff game is played. They are meaningless to stats and chances at a cup. Stuff like this is why many teams sit out certain players. They dont want or need as you pointed out some jr player trying to render a big hit on a star player to make a roster spot.

As to practice like you play. I agree yo always practice and play hard. That said Al I cant find a reason why Phenuf needed to level the guy in a pre season game. He is not a bubble player. He is known for hunting players with their head down and laying them out.

What purpose did the hit serve to the flames chances of winning a cup?
Maybe you will argue that the hit will set the tone for the whole season. I am not buying that and that was not in Phenufs head when he made the hit. He saw a guy to level. He probablly saw him with his head down earlier in the game and figured if he would run him if he got the chance. Watching the replay he lined that dude up and destroyed him. It could have ended a lot worse for oposo. I am glad it appears it didnt. I hope he has no lingering effects that impact his season as a result.

I know you like the hit. I guess we can agree to disagree. maybe in 12 years I will hold the same view on this. Currently I dont.

Originally Posted by Ahbroody

I would be suprised if he didnt already know not to do this seeing as how he is playing in the show and had a fairly decent year on the islanders last year. Pretty sure he knows how to play the game. That said he made a mistake and he more than payed for it. There are two sides to this for sure. He is a fairly talented player though. I am not a big Phenuf guy so my view on this is likely impacted by that. Running someone like that in pre season is bush. The games dont count and you got rookies and even some jrs players out there generally.


Change this to Phenuf destroying some jr player and ending his chances to play in the pros in preseason in a meaningless game and maybe it looks different.

Just another view. Yes it was a monster hit and a thing of beauty to watch. That said its not game 7, its a meaningless preseason game.

OOOh and Tom I love the fact that theo is back. Love that little bastage. I always though he should have been nicknamed "the little ball of hate" not pat verbeek

The Flames are my team but I try not to be a homer. I actually don't like Phaneuf, (and I mean personally) he has his ups and downs last year was a down and part of his game that was gone was that fear when he is out there (ala Scott Stevens) I watched the game (not just the U-Tube hit) and it was a clean hit on a guy that was carrying the puck through the zone. Now you know I luv ya Mike (even if you are a sharks fan ) but if you watch the hit (there are a few more angles on the flames website) it was not bush.

Okposo had his head down (dumb) and was carrying the puck. He took Phaneuf's shoulder in the noggin, Phaneuf didn't leave his fit, didn't charge it was all good. The bad part is someone getting hurt, if Okposo pops up and skates off this is a non issue no penalty on the hit, no further investigation by the league (so I am told). The bush part is several Islanders coming after him after a clean hit, I am so tired of half assed players running after every guy that hits a player cleanly (and yes even the flames are guilty of it ala Ollie fighting I don't remember who after Backlund got leveled cleanly).

Hitting is part of the game, and a good clean hit should not be measured by the fact that a guy got hurt (he is ok by the way) no more than a dirty hit should be measured by lack of injury.

Just my opinion.....................well that and Mike is wrong