Pete Rose, 20 years later...HOF or not?

[kelmac07]

How can you have the record holder for the most hits ever not be in the Hall of Fame? YES!!!!!!!!!

[Volt]

Originally Posted by kelmac07

How can you have the record holder for the most hits ever not be in the Hall of Fame? YES!!!!!!!!!

hehe, I was waiting on you to chime in. Mr. Baseball!

[Starscream]

Originally Posted by vankleekkw

2. He always bet that his team would win.

We all bet on our own teams to win, in one form or another. This helps drive the desire to win.

Originally Posted by chippewastud79

If he would have admitted to betting on his team immediately would this even be a question? Or is it just because he denied it?

He clearly has the numbers to put in his own wing in the Hall of Fame. Not sure another player can rival the numbers he put up or the passion with which he played the game.

Pete wasn't a nice guy when he was playing. I hear he pissed off a bunch of people both as a player and a manager. His attitude didn't help him out of this situation by any means.

He clearly does have the numbers to open up his own wing! Free Pete!

Originally Posted by shilala

Babe Ruth was an alcoholic who threw women down the stairs regularly.
I won't even get started on Ty Cobb.

Bobby Cox (a future HOFer) beat his wife.
DiMaggio had mob connections.
Mantle was an alcoholic.
John McGraw cheated when the umpire wasn't looking.
The list goes on.

[shilala]

Originally Posted by andysutherland

Bobby Cox (a future HOFer) beat his wife.
DiMaggio had mob connections.
Mantle was an alcoholic.
John McGraw cheated when the umpire wasn't looking.
The list goes on.

That sews up the "you gotta be a good human" to be in the HOF argument pretty well.
People are people.
I play the game like Pete plays the game, always did. He's who taught me.
Not a day did he not give 1000%.
I think he might even love playing ball more than I do. I doubt it though.
Last summer I played softball and stroked two homers with a broken back and hadn't picked up a bat in six months. I also snagged a diving liner at short and had to have the second and third basemen get me off the ground.
I laid in bed for three days after that.
It was worth every minute.

[Ashcan Bill]

I saw Pete play many, many times at Dodger Stadium.

I was there the day he turned around and flipped off the entire left field pavilion. That one didn't make the news.

Letting him in to the Hall of Fame cheapens the institution and degrades the honorable players that have, and will be, admitted.

I vote no.

Only my personal opinion, not worth much.

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by Ashcan Bill

I saw Pete play many, many times at Dodger Stadium.

I was there the day he turned around and flipped off the entire left field pavilion. That one didn't make the news.

Letting him in to the Hall of Fame cheapens the institution and degrades the honorable players that have, and will be, admitted.

I vote no.

Only my personal opinion, not worth much.

It is worth as much as any of ours.

But what about the less than honorable members of the Hall?...there are quite a few of them.

[Ashcan Bill]

Originally Posted by icehog3

It is worth as much as any of ours.

But what about the less than honorable members of the Hall?...there are quite a few of them.

Agreed - some aren't worthy and shouldn't be there. But I can't go back in time and vote in a friendly poll prior to their induction, now can I?

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by Ashcan Bill

Agreed - some aren't worthy and shouldn't be there. But I can't go back in time and vote in a friendly poll prior to their induction, now can I?

Fair enough. You against any steroid users making the Hall, I assume.

Originally Posted by kelmac07

How can you have the record holder for the most hits ever not be in the Hall of Fame? YES!!!!!!!!!

No. ****ing. ****.