2010 Formula One Thread

[mithrilG60]

I also wouldn't take his comment as the official Red Bull line on the incident. Neither Mateschitz or Horner have commented on it other than to say how displeased they were with the incident as a whole and how unnecessary it was. He's the only person I've heard take Vettel's side and quite honestly it's a ludicrous stance. In reality I don't care if that's RedBull's official line, if it is then they're ignoring the simple facts of the incident and they're wrong.

Vettel veered into Weber's line after 1/2 completing a passing maneuver, end of story. That's a driver error and one that's 100% Vettel's fault every single time.

Think about it; we're on the highway and I pass you. Instead of waiting until I'm fully clear and past you I decide to move back into your lane when only half car of my car is ahead of yours. Because of my decision to move over our cars contact causing a crash...... and somehow that's your fault? I'm sorry but that's a stance that's both completely wrong and doesn't make sense with any scenario on either a racing track or public road.

The simple fact is that the overtaking driver has the ultimate responsibility to ensure that he overtakes in a manner that is safe for everyone. If he can't, or doesn't, complete the pass (and being 1/2 a car length ahead is NOT a completed pass) it's not the responsibility of the other driver to let him through. Unless being blue flagged, the driver being overtaken has every right to hold and defend his line which is exactly what Weber did.

[ir13]

I think it was Weber's fault for not allowing enough racing room. But it doesnt matter much now anyways. It is nice to see some inter team rivalries brewing with RB and Mclaren.

[newcigarz]

Whose up for an Austin/F1 herf in 2012?


Sports Briefing | Auto Racing
Texas Will Host F1 Race
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: May 25, 2010



Formula One racing is coming back to the United States in 2012 with a long-term deal to race in Austin, Tex., on a track built specifically for the event. Officials from Formula One, Austin and Texas said the city would host the U.S. Grand Prix until 2021. The race was dropped after an eight-year run at Indianapolis Motor Speedway from 2000 to 2007. Bernie Ecclestone, Formula One’s president, said the race would mark the first time a course would be built specifically for an F1 race in the United States. Before its run in Indianapolis, Formula One was hosted by Las Vegas, Detroit, Dallas, Phoenix and Long Beach, Calif., on street circuits.



Sorry if this was already discussed.

[ucla695]

Originally Posted by newcigarz

Whose up for an Austin/F1 herf in 2012?


Sports Briefing | Auto Racing
Texas Will Host F1 Race
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: May 25, 2010



Formula One racing is coming back to the United States in 2012 with a long-term deal to race in Austin, Tex., on a track built specifically for the event. Officials from Formula One, Austin and Texas said the city would host the U.S. Grand Prix until 2021. The race was dropped after an eight-year run at Indianapolis Motor Speedway from 2000 to 2007. Bernie Ecclestone, Formula One’s president, said the race would mark the first time a course would be built specifically for an F1 race in the United States. Before its run in Indianapolis, Formula One was hosted by Las Vegas, Detroit, Dallas, Phoenix and Long Beach, Calif., on street circuits.



Sorry if this was already discussed.

I can't wait!!

[mithrilG60]

Originally Posted by ir13

I think it was Weber's fault for not allowing enough racing room.

How? Vettel pulled out to pass on the inside/dirty line, not Weber. It was Vettel's judgment that there was enough room to pass and Vettel's decision to attempt the pass. It was also Vettel's decision to turn back into Weber's line before he was fully past. Weber made no defensive moves to cut off or block his teammate, he just held his line as he was completely entitled to do. In doing so he made no attempt to block his teammate which is entirely in keeping with the team's edict on giving each other racing room. You can guarantee that Weber would not have accorded the same courtesy to either Hamilton or Button if they'd been trying to pass him there!

Vettel drove into Weber, not the other way around, there's simply no logical way of looking at incident where the fault lies with Weber.

[ir13]

Originally Posted by mithrilG60

How? Vettel pulled out to pass on the inside/dirty line, not Weber. It was Vettel's judgment that there was enough room to pass and Vettel's decision to attempt the pass. It was also Vettel's decision to turn back into Weber's line before he was fully past. Weber made no defensive moves to cut off or block his teammate, he just held his line as he was completely entitled to do. In doing so he made no attempt to block his teammate which is entirely in keeping with the team's edict on giving each other racing room. You can guarantee that Weber would not have accorded the same courtesy to either Hamilton or Button if they'd been trying to pass him there!

Vettel drove into Weber, not the other way around, there's simply no logical way of looking at incident where the fault lies with Weber.

The bolded statement is false.

Weber would have done the same exact thing if it was a non teammate, he is racing. Vettel said to the bosses he didnt want to say anything on the radio bc of the the rule of team orders in the sporting code, but he was clearly faster than weber.