Selig Won't Reverse Call

[shilala]

Originally Posted by VirtualSmitty

They already have. Close home runs can be challenged with a video replay, if that's the case already I can't see why a bang bang play at a pivotal point of the game couldn't. Worse things have happened than this, a World Series was lost in 85 over a bad call. The human element is one thing, but personally I hate to see baseball history altered in this way. Galarraga threw a perfect game, I hope Selig gets some sense in him and overturns the call.

I totally forgot about the homerun camera rule. That just started a couple years ago. They put cameras in all the parks.
That was also tried a number of years ago, like ten or fifteen, and then it was shot down.
I can see the argument for it, boundaries are not "the human element", so use what you have. Especially when foul poles are so hard to tell if the ball went over the fence inside the park.
Boundary calls cause derision between umpires, too. Two guys see it "in", two guys see it "out".
I can honestly say that I don't know if I like it or not. If I had a vote, I'd say "leave it out, period." It makes more sense that way.


Here's the thing...
Use instant replay to overrule a base ump's calls, then you need to use it to over rule home plate calls. Then balls and strikes.
Now it's football.
Plus there are years and years or footage of bad calls. Fix them, make adjustments to the games, and some teams don't make it to the playoffs that claimed the title.
Fair is fair, right?
It creates a mess that never ends. Without it, no mess. Just the day to day mess that emulates life.
If anything is precious in the game of baseball, it's the stats. How many *'s do the record books need?

I should probably also add, it's a game. Even if it's had lots and lots and lots of dollars thrown at it to make it a business, it's still a game.
All things said, it really doesn't amount to a dip of sh!t, regardless of how serious we like to let it make us feel.

[VirtualSmitty]

Originally Posted by shilala

I totally forgot about the homerun camera rule. That just started a couple years ago. They put cameras in all the parks.
That was also tried a number of years ago, like ten or fifteen, and then it was shot down.
I can see the argument for it, boundaries are not "the human element", so use what you have. Especially when foul poles are so hard to tell if the ball went over the fence inside the park.
Boundary calls cause derision between umpires, too. Two guys see it "in", two guys see it "out".
I can honestly say that I don't know if I like it or not. If I had a vote, I'd say "leave it out, period." It makes more sense that way.


Here's the thing...
Use instant replay to overrule a base ump's calls, then you need to use it to over rule home plate calls. Then balls and strikes.
Now it's football.
Plus there are years and years or footage of bad calls. Fix them, make adjustments to the games, and some teams don't make it to the playoffs that claimed the title.
Fair is fair, right?
It creates a mess that never ends. Without it, no mess. Just the day to day mess that emulates life.
If anything is precious in the game of baseball, it's the stats. How many *'s do the record books need?

I should probably also add, it's a game. Even if it's had lots and lots and lots of dollars thrown at it to make it a business, it's still a game.
All things said, it really doesn't amount to a dip of sh!t, regardless of how serious we like to let it make us feel.

The instant replay rule went into effect last year, not years years ago. And it did help get a few HR calls right. I'm not sure the answer is to let managers invoke replays, or argue balls and strikes, but given the closeness of the play and situation I can't see why the umps couldn't have the option to check things over. Or maybe not. The commissioner has the power to reverse plays, if doing so threatens the sanctity of the game so much, why bother giving him the option at all. It's there for a reason, what's the point if it never gets used?

Baseball is game. And games are meant to be fun. But this kinda takes the fun out of it don't you think?

[shilala]

Originally Posted by VirtualSmitty

The instant replay rule went into effect last year, not years years ago. And it did help get a few HR calls right. I'm not sure the answer is to let managers invoke replays, or argue balls and strikes, but given the closeness of the play and situation I can't see why the umps couldn't have the option to check things over. Or maybe not. The commissioner has the power to reverse plays, if doing so threatens the sanctity of the game so much, why bother giving him the option at all. It's there for a reason, what's the point if it never gets used?

Baseball is game. And games are meant to be fun. But this kinda takes the fun out of it don't you think?

Instant replay was tried in 99. It went into effect in August of 08.
I had to look it up.
I have no idea why they would give the Commissioner the power to reverse plays. Makes no sense.
If there was EVER one he could and should reverse, it was Joyce's call. It's THAT clear cut, being the next to last play and all.
That's why it had me worried.

I honestly don't think this outcome takes the fun out of it at all. I'm having all kinds of fun bantering with you about it, I just wish we had a porch and a cigar and a game on.
Like I said earlier, it makes the perfect game that much cooler. No one will ever forget that call, much like no one has ever forgotten Bucky Dent.

Another thing is that it's gonna hang around for a good long while. There's no reason the next Commish couldn't overturn it. And Bud could still overturn it whenever he wanted. I just don't see it happening, for lots of reasons.
It really is one of those things where I could change my mind on it. But I won't. Goes to what Baseball is, and that's cool with me. It's the only reason I didn't want it overturned, and I was both pissed and hurt for Armando. I can't even put a solid finger on why it shouldn't be overturned, the only defense I have is "it just shouldn't".

[galaga]

Originally Posted by shilala

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Another thing is that it's gonna hang around for a good long while. There's no reason the next Commish couldn't overturn it. And Bud could still overturn it whenever he wanted. I just don't see it happening, for lots of reasons. [He just ain't got no balls, that's why]
It really is one of those things where I could change my mind on it. But I won't. Goes to what Baseball is, and that's cool with me. It's the only reason I didn't want it overturned, and I was both pissed and hurt for Armando. I can't even put a solid finger on why it shouldn't be overturned, the only defense I have is "it just shouldn't".

I knew it.
A Philly Phanatic

ps Padres take the series....